> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gavin Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 1:32 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] HPWorld Questions
>
>
> Chuck wonders:
> > In an earlier thread I asked if there was any new,
> non-posix, development
> > for the 3000 underway at CSY that did more than just keep
> up with growing
> > resource requirements or support for new hardware released by HP.
>
> Can you give some examples of things you'd like to see that
> would qualify
> within the above definition?
>

There are many subsystems and utilies that are in desperate need of
enhancement to bring them up to date with comparable products on other
systems.

Image
VPlus
Symbolic Debugger
Networking

> IMHO, CSY seems to be doing a good job of keeping MPE moving
> towards new
> hardware platforms (N class, A class, IA-64, etc.) which is involving
> massive amounts of reengineering (new I/O system for PCI, new
> compilers,
> etc., etc.).
>

[snip]

> They are always working on changes to the OS to support more users,
> processes, etc., many of which you don't see because they
> have been good at
> increasing the limits before you become aware that a limit
> even exists.
>

Yes, that is my point. This is the only area the I see any MPE development.

> The investments in "posix" things like Apache and Java have
> gone a long way
> towards keeping the platform viable in the Internet Age, and
> are things
> which can be taken advantage of in an incremental fashion by
> many customers,
> as opposed to proprietary system enhancements that fewer
> customers might
> use.
>

Yes, there is much being done on the posix side as far as porting apps from
linux to the 3000.

But, why should I pay the huge premium for hardware/software/support on the
3000 if I am going to run ports of posix apps, that are 1 or 2 generations
behind what is available on linux, in a more limited posix environment on
the 3000.

Stability is not a good enough answer for me as I have had more sys aborts
from the 3000 in the last few years than I have had crashes from my linux
server, with better performance on the linux server for internet apps.

I guess what I am asking is, what compelling reason would there be for a new
company to purchase a 3000 over Intel/IBM/Sun/HP(Unix)? I do not mean those
of us with legacy apps, I mean a brand new company starting from scratch.

If there is no compelling reason to choose the 3000, then all that is left
is a slow decay in the user base as company's are forced to move on or
relegate the 3000 to a minor role.

I would expand further, but I have a meeting to review the new Windows based
system that is going to replace one of the legacy apps currently running on
the 3000.