I agree completely with everything said so far. The new tiny 928's
are not that expensive are they? In addition, I am fairly competent
on the HP3000 and have learned from little formal training but mostly
from trail and error and asking bunches of questions.
In our shop I am fairly experienced and we have a few people with a
small amount of experience. The problem comes in when there is a new
employee in our department. There are also a ton of others who can
hold their own but could still learn plenty. I could train these
people but I don't have the time nor the skill to develop a training
manual. What would be simple would be to make training manuals and
workbooks available.
While we are making out a wish list, what about some type of
certification that could be administered at a semi-local level (at
least one per state depending upon the state). There are CNA's,
CNE's, and Microsoft Certifications, why not MPE certifications? Such
as ..Operator, Administrator, Manager I, Manager II with options such
as Networking and Communications, Programming, System Configuration.
I am sure others could come up with better ones but hopefully everyone
gets the idea.
Thanks for letting me ramble.
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Barry Durand "The opinions expressed in this
Systems Engineer II email are not necessarily the
Gulf South Health Plans opinions of my employer"
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Subject: Re: Sys Mgmnt Training [was: Hhhhhhhheeeelllllllllppppppp!]
Author: Lee Gunter <[log in to unmask]> at SMTP-PO
Date: 4/29/98 4:16 PM
A self-paced SysMgr class would be a boon for those companies whose
training budgets are strapped -- including ours. Having attended both the
System Management Skills I & II classes, I don't think the second would
lend itself very well to a self-paced class -- at least not for those of us
who need a knowledgeable body on hand to field questions re: the material.
Perhaps, the second-level course has changed sufficiently since I was
enrolled, and it might be more compatible with a self-paced format. The
first-level course, however, should be readily adaptable to self-paced. By
self-paced, I refer to video and/or book learnin' -- not CBT. CBT may not
be very practical if a crash-&-burn system on which to practice isn't
available. :-(
Lee Gunter [log in to unmask]
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Subject: Re: Sys Mgmnt Training [was: Hhhhhhhheeeelllllllllppppppp!]
cbridges wrote:
> This could be a "training issue" rather than a matter of who did hiring
> as is the case with our colleague who needed the manuals a few weeks
> ago! In his case, he's capable of doing the work; his superiors just
> figure he can learn it from a book since they have budgetary
> restrictions that preclude them from sending him to System Management
> classes.
[putting on my new sig-sysman hat...] i hear this over and over about
new system managers not getting any formal training because of the
expense involved and it does not make me happy (and we all know
how important *that* is :-). a quick stroll thru my hp training catalog
tells the following tale: the mpe system managers class is $2250(!!)
it's not available on tape (like other classes) nor is it available as
a self-paced course (like hp-ux sys. admin. is). hmmmm, at a
minimum, i think offering a self-paced version of the class would
be in order. would you (plural) let me know what you think
about the idea? private/list replies...doesn't matter.... - d
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