HP-3000 Systems Discussion wrote:
> It's not so much Java the language, it's everything around it.
Ahh, J2EE. Yes, I think a few on this list have mentioned the seemingly
unnecessary complexity for Enterprise programming.
>
> On top of that I can't find a decent IDE, the one supplied by SUN
> (written in Java), was so slow and buggy, it wasn't worth using.
There are quite a few out there besides Sun, I use Programmer Studio for
everything from Cobol to Fortran to Java. Some other Java IDEs I have not
tried much (some free):
http://www.netbeans.org/
http://www.jcreator.com/
http://www.borland.com/jbuilder/
http://www.intellij.com/idea/
http://www.eclipse.org/
> What would sell Java, which will sell .NET, in my opinion, is the
> simplicity and power of the IDE (Visual Studio), the simple install
> and the speed in which you can deploy a web application. If Sun
> could package the thing properly (all in my opinion) where it
> involves a simple download a few 'next' clicks and your up and away,
> then I would be happy, but there's too much more to do.
I agree with you but I think you get what you pay for. VS.NET is not cheap
but it's a decent and consistent environment. I'm sure you can get a pretty
good Java IDE for (half) the price of VS.NET.
> I agree with your thoughts about the Linux version though. I am led
> to believe by colleagues that it already runs better under
> Linux/Apache than IIS. Let's hope they continue to support it.
http://www.go-mono.com/ looks promising but again, I read about how MSN
messes up Opera browsers and Opera in kind has been messing with the MSN
site and you wonder what roadblocks might come down the road.
> I will add that I'm more used, to using Cognos Powerhouse, so maybe I
> expecting too much to be done for me.
There should be tools for all levels of programming and if that's what you
want, there's nothing wrong with that. Productivity and maintainability are
more important than ever.
Mark W.
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