Mr Barker has always had an issue with his distinctions of flame words. I
dare say that his words on how the pilot prisoners of war (in the first gulf
conflict) would be described as 'love taps'.

As for how the Iraqi army would be described, the word 'animals' come to
mind. Now, that could not and should not be applied to 100% of the Iraqi any
more than 1 or 2 night crawlers out of 250,000 could be applied to all
Coalition troops. However, I m fairly sure that the number of animals within
the Iraqi army would far exceed the number of non-animals with a reverse
relationship of night crawLers in the Coalition troops.

Mr Barker has always had a 'misguided' sense of direction with regards to
the Cuban detainees. I dare say that if the shoe were on the other foot,
Iraq or other related type of countries,would not have spent millions of
dollars to build a facility to house similar Coalition troops and that they
would not be housed in a like manner. Also, I m sure that the same rules of
treatment of detainees would not be observed.

I dare say that a Iraqi col would not have fired a pistol to the side of a
Coalition soldier to get information. Into the Coalition soldier,
YES!!!!!!!!!!! Would that Iraqi col have suffer, DONT MAKE ME LAUGH.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Yokem" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Improved Security?


> I don't recall murdering 10,000 Iraqis at all.  What you are calling
> 'murder' is really 'casualties of war', which is a different thing
> altogether.
>
> Mr Barker, your statement that there is a lot of grey area in the Middle
> East is worth noting.  It has been a hotbed of violence since before
> biblical times.  International politics is mostly amoral.  The fact is,
> our forces over there are not behaving like a conquering army, you can bet
> if it were Saddam's troops over in the USA, they would not be acting
> as they do.  This is one of my objections to the criticism of our
> participation in the conflict over there, it seems the critics are
> using a microscope to try to find something wrong.  Since they seem
> to have to try real hard to do that, it speaks well of our forces,
> because in a war zone, it should not be that hard.
>
> I know why there are people willing to sacrifice their life to harm
> others.  These people have been exploited in a time of grief to do this.
> They are emotionally vulnerable, and thus can be manipulated.
>
> The way we treated the American Indian was sad, but show me where anyone
> else treated a conquered people any better during that period?  As far
> as the Palistinians being ejected from their land, I don't think the
> situation is as simple as you try to make it out.
>
> As far as Israel's 'murder' of Palistinians, I already know how you
> define 'murder'.
>
> Our detention of prisoners of war during wartime in Cuba is standard
> operating procedure.  Suspending Writ of Habeous Corpus during wartime
> is not new, or unusual.  Wartime requirements put an unacceptable
> burdon on the State to require due process.  Although I will share
> your concern to the extent that I want to be assured this will not be
> a permanent situation.
>
> OK, I will accept that you think America is not perfect, but you need to
> accept that the wrongs we are perpetrating are being blown out of
> proportion, versus the people opposing us, which are being minimized.
>
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