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> In article <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] (Rob Young) writes:
>
>>In article <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask] writes:
>>
>>>In article <[log in to unmask]>, "Terry C. Shannon" <[log in to unmask]> writes:
>>>I doubt they'll be  "Numero Uno in the High Performance Computing arena"
>>>if they persist in their plans to force all their customers onto Itanic.
>>>
>>>
>>      Don't count on it.  It may take a few billion more but they will
>>      be at or near the top.  Their boxes will cost a lot less, that
>>      really is a key.
>>
>>
>
> You keep saying this but I can't see any reason why this will ever be the case.
> Hammer and (Intel's answer to Hammer) Yamhill are set to rule the desktop
> and at least the small server market. Itanic will be relegated to a niche
> product. Intel won't be able to cross-subsidy Itanic from Yamhill profits
> because of price pressure from Hammer.
>
>
>>      One other thing not to be overlooked... HP will be building
>>      servers for 4 or 5 major OSes.  HP/UX, Tru64, OpenVMS, NSK, Windows,
>>      the engineering gathered/saved across the board (no more MIPS ,
>>      no more Alpha) will allow the marshalling of a good bit of engineering
>>      talent.
>>
>>
>
> Except I would expect that very few customers will actually want to move from
> their current architectures to Itanic unless they can see a benefit or are
> forced. The only possible benefits were improved performance and being
> "Industry Standard". It is now clear and will quickly become clear to the most
> myopic of senior managers that Itanic does not provide either of these
> benefits. If you try and force customers into doing a painful migration which
> provides them no benefit then most will probably decide that the small bit of
> extra pain to port to IBM or SUN will provide better benefits in the long term.
>
> I hope that HP is now looking at porting all it's OSs to HAMMER/YAMHILL since
> that is the only way it could possibly obtain the savings you posit for
> Itanium.
>
> David Webb
> VMS and Unix team leader
> CCSS
> Middlesex University
>
>
>

While sound logic doesn't always prevail, based upon current events the above is
sound logic.  I really think that if Intel sticks with IA-64 it will hurt them
badly.  If they bring out Yamhill, and continue with IA-64 using their own
money, then there just plain stupid.

Dave

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