I must agree with Richard.
calling the leaders of all other countries that don't agree with
yours "loudmouth" is very disrespectful. The remarks about the french
military was better either.
I don't have all the facts but if friends can't disagree on important
issues, then one of them acts like a dictator.
Furthermore, no proof has been presented by anybody about a nuclear threat
from iraq. The only threat currently is from North korea and india-pakistan.
as for chemical warfare, the result of agent orange to a chemical weapon
was the same even if it was not supposed to be.
Maybe testing before use would help.
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:08:38 -0600, joe andress <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>Richard
>
>I fail to see how I have been rude or disrepectful of anyone's opinion. You
>appear to be the one who makes the judgement that I am disrespectful
because
>I disagree with your opinion. MMMMM, guess my opinion counts for nothing
>them. But then, you do say that everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Seems
>like you have a problem with making your mind up.
>
>As for the list monitor quirp, I just a regular list member who is express
>his opinion. You can ignore me is you wish. That is totally up to you.
>However, I am entitled, as anyother member of the list, to express my
>opinion. It would appear that you dont agree. Your opinion, I accept it
>without comment.
>
>The US developed and use the atomic weapon over 45 years ago. The weapon
was
>use 2 times as we are aware. The weapon and its related weapons have not
>been used again. There is no evidence that they have been used.
>
>Iraq, on ther other hand, has chemical weapons. They have proven that they
>have used them on several occurances.
>
>As to the nuclear threat that Iraq poses, I submit that there is evidence
>that they would use them due to the past use of chemicals weapons in an
>intended offensive manner. How do you know that Iraq does not have nuclear
>programs that are oriented to weapons creation?
>
>As for the last part of your post, President Bush has been to the UN a
>number of times. I dont recall anything about the US being totally bound by
>the UN. I also dont recall anywhere President Bush subscribed to the
>principles of a dictatorship. Only that Iraq honor the commitment that Iraq
>made. I guess you read something or heard something that I didnt.
>
>But then again, it might be your expressed opinion, something I can't have
>or express.
>
>
>Joe
>Spellchecker not working
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Richard Barker" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 AM
>Subject: [HP3000-L] FW: [HP3000-L] OT : Understanding both sides
>
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion and it most cases
everyone
>> on this list maintains a certain level of diplomacy and decorum.
>> Unfortunately recently the new list monitor (or at least he seems to be)
>> Joe, seems to just be disrespecting everyone who even slightly disagrees
>> with him.
>>
>> I suppose I should just ignore him.
>>
>> Joe, there are other countries in the world and other people who don't
>> necessarily share Bush's and your opinion on how the world should be run.
>> Why should we have to suffer the problems that this unilateral, non UN
>> supported, action creates. Iraq probably does not have nuclear weapons
>and
>> even if they did, what evidence do you have that they would use them.
The
>> only country that has ever used them, is your own, so who is more likely
>to
>> use them again.
>>
>> The idea of the UN is effectively a form world wide democracy, by just
>using
>> it when you want, then ignoring it when it suits you means that maybe
>> America doesn't really believe in the principle of a democracy only a
>> dictatorship.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: joe andress [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: 12 March 2003 18:19
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT : Understanding both sides
>>
>>
>> Iraq can simply prevent any deaths of Iraqi people and destruction of
>their
>> infrasturction by ONE person following the compact that HE allowed to be
>> signed.
>>
>> HE is the one person who can stop any and all actions. NO one else has
>> started anything. ONLY HE can stop it.
>>
>> And for the ignorent ones, its not G W Bush.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Richard Ali" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 10:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT : Understanding both sides
>>
>>
>> Ken Hirsch points out:
>> >Negotiators were never able to agree on a definition of "aggression",
>> so the ICC does not currently have any jurisdiction over an alleged
>> crime of starting a war.
>>
>>
>> The deaths we inflict upon the Iraqis and damage to their infrastructure
>> would be the crimes, not the "starting" of the aggression.
>>
>> I had a quick look at your link and found: "The Court has jurisdiction
in
>> accordance with this Statute with respect to the following crimes:
>> (a) The crime of genocide;
>> (b) Crimes against humanity;
>> (c) War crimes;
>> (d) The crime of aggression.".
>>
>> Not had a chance to go through it in detail but doesn't point (d) cover
>what
>> I'm talking about? I admit that I could be wrong since I've only had a
>quick
>> look.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Richard Ali
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard Ali
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