Can anyone explain the difference between a sweat shop that creates
clothes and a sweat shop that creates code?

-----Original Message-----
From: Gates, Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:21 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Outsourced humor

Gee, make ONE little joke. . .  <GRIN>

Well, back ON the OFF TOPIC.

Ken is right.  It is NOT about education, efficiency, or work ethic.
One
experienced U.S. programmer, bringing in $50000 (just a nice round
number,
guys) can BARELY compete against 5 Indians on price per whatever (KLOC,
module, application program, etc.).  Sending code to be done in China
where
the rates are 1/5th of INDIAN rates and the buyer gets 20 people for the
price of 1 U.S. worker.   Unless you can type with your toes YOU CAN'T
KEEP
UP WITH THAT.  And you nor I should have to butt heads with the
Mongolian
horde that modems into the country at night and does your job for a 20th
the
price.  We have LIMITS on how many people can enter the country
PHYSICALLY.
We have those for MANY reasons, not the least of which is having more
laborers than the economy can absorb.  Outsourcing LABOR such in this
manor
is JUST a means to import labor that works for slave wages--many times
MUCH
LESS than the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE.  These laborers, while diligent, do
not
return ONE DIME to the U.S. Economy...They pay NO taxes here. They buy
NO
U.S. goods. They don't even pay bus fare to and from work here.  I don't
want to belittle them, because I'm sure they're nice, hardworking geeks
just
like ourselves, but they are little more than parasites on the U.S.
Economy.


Last week I watched a show on TechTV called "Nerd Nation".  It talked
about
the plight of Indian "Call Center Executives".  These people work for
years
to aquire the English skills necessary to work the phones for companies
in
the U.S., England, and Australia.  When they FINALLY get a job, they go
to
work in fenced compounds surrounded by armed guards.  Since there is
very
little local infrastructure, all equipment is imported and set up inside
the
walls. Electricity is SO unpredictable, the company uses their own
diesel
generators. The town doesn't even have a water treatment plant or sewage
system.  They are not being built, either.  Companies are NOT only
taking
advantage of an educated but cheap labor pool, but the fact they have to
pay
almost nothing in taxes to support the almost non-existant local
infrastructure.  Furthermore the SIZE of the educated but unemployed
labor
force, means that companies do not have to invest a dime in training or
retention.  They burn their employees crispy and have 10 more waiting to
take their place.  Should new technologies come available, the old
workers
are replaced at the same time as the equipment, and must start over.  I
they
learned that from U.S. companies.

India is already feeling price competition from China, the Philippines,
Viet
Nam, and other Asian countries where the labor is even cheaper.

If U.S. Companies want "Superior" Indian laborers (or "Superior" Chinese
laborers or "Superior" Elbonian laborers) let them come here and work
for
U.S. Wages and By God we'll find out who's SUPERIOR.



-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Hirsch [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Outsourced humor

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