I would like to throw in my two cents worth on this.
<Rant mode on> No I have not installed PP5 on any of our machines, but
even if I had I still would not go into a panic. I always keep the
previous CSLT for just such a situation (if it's man made - it will
break). Or if my machine was running fine, I would just keep a closer
eye on it and make sure my backups are good. Is it a pain to go back to
a pervious version of the OS? You bet it is, especially on five
machines. Would I do it to get that warm fuzzy feeling? In a heart beat.
HP with MPE has the best damned machines and OS on the market, IMHO. I
have played on other machines and OSes, I keep migrating back to
something that I can depend on; and that is MPE and HP. With the track
record for HP, I always give them the benefit of the doubt.
<Rant mode off>
Thank you, I feel better now.
Rich Holloway
Systems Administrator
Providence Health Plans
Phone: (503) 574-7457
Fax: (503) 574-8614
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Burke [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 7:06 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Bug in pp5
>
> Joe and Scott both make good points.
>
> We've been on PP5 on a 959/400 production machine (525 concurrent
> sessions, 1GB memory, 105GB disc and several hundred TurboIMAGE
> databases) for ten days. We've seen the DBUTIL ERASE bug, but no other
> problems (we don't use DATEDIFF and our exposure to the Posix
> recursive
> directory purge problem is minimal). So, my head tells me there is
> nothing to be particularly concerned about. Still, my heart has been
> beating a little faster as I read the various speculations about the
> scope and nature of the DBUTIL ERASE problem. I can certainly
> empathize
> with those who are panicking since we are talking about the possible
> corruption of the life blood of our systems: our data. Bottom line: I
> look forward anxiously but patiently to hearing something official
> today
> so I can properly access the situation.
>
> John Burke
> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe Geiser [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 1998 3:28 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Bug in pp5
>
>
> Scott McClellan said,
>
> > I am sitting here, at my computer, at 12:03 AM just trying to get
> some
> > work done. Unfortunatly, my e-mail program keeps alerting me
> > that I have
> > new mail every few minutes. Everytime I check I see that it
> > 3-5 new messages
> > from users on 3000-L panicing about the PP5 production hold and data
> > corruption bug.
>
> <Rest of excellent post snipped>
>
> One last thing to interject here in defense of HP. HP has *never*
> gone
> public about a bug until it knows what the hell is going on. If Scott
> says
> that the bug is a high priority in the lab, it is.
>
> Since HP does not go public with bug details prior to them knowing
> what
> is
> going on, it serves several purposes. First, fear and panic such as
> this
> (are normally) averted. Second, HP makes sure that the information it
> gives
> is accurate.
>
> Case in point: TurboIMAGE DDX problem. HP *knew* there was a
> problem,
> but
> it was not officially disclosed until *all* of the details were known.
> This
> could have been disclosed earlier, but (1) it was such a corner case
> that
> the possibility of it affecting the majority of the user base was low
> and
> (2) it would have caused unnecessary widespread panic.
>
> So, take a deep breath, relax, and let HP turn out the most reliable
> OS
> in
> the industry, OK? We all make mistakes, and when it comes to patches
> and
> bugs, HP does not even come close to holding the record.
>
> Lastly, I've been on PP5 now for about a week. Nothing horrible has
> happened, and we've been working the hell out of it. I'm not saying
> that
> those who have tapes, rush to load them, but if it were something that
> warranted a widespread recall, that the bug was so horrible, HP would
> have
> done something, like make an announcement on the subject.
>
> (After working with this company's products since 1979, one gets to
> know
> how
> they operate after awhile. Of course, they will surprise you every
> once
> in
> awhile).
>
> Best Regards,
> Joe
>
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