I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one that has slow restores on DLT
when doing selective files restores.  When we do our disaster recovery, we
always recovery SYS first.  One because it has editor and all necessary
files, and two, because I have two groups in there (BULDJOB1 and BULDJOB2)
that contain files to create each account on my system (and the system
itself).  Once I get this account restored, I can recreate my system and
restore everything.  Since selective restores take so long (up to 1 1/2
hour) and I have up to 4 DLT tapes (two tapes each on two paths) and I don't
have a $STDLIST since this is a disaster, it's nice to know that SYS is
first.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Gary L. Paveza, Jr.
Production Support Analyst - Lead
(302) 761-3173 - voice
(877) 720-2970 - pager

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Gilles Schipper [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
        Sent:   Tuesday, March 06, 2001 3:18 PM
        To:     [log in to unmask]
        Subject:        Re: [HP3000-L] Full System Backup

        The exclusion of the SYS account from the second fileset does not
prevent
        the SYS account files from being stored twice - STORE is smart
enough to
        know not to.

        What is does do is prevent the cluttering of the syslist with a line
or two
        for each file in the SYS account indicating "file not stored, in use
by
        another store process" or to that effect.

        Incidentally, having said that STORE is smart enough to prevent the
same
        file from being stored twice to the same tapeset, I have seen a
duplicate
        file on either the 6.0 or 6.5 FOS tape - I don't recall which.

        I thought to myself at the time - how could that have happened? Must
be
        some undocumented "feature" of STORE used in the HP labs.

        In any case, I did confirm that the file was duplicated on the tape
by
        using VSTORE, after noticing that the second occurance of the file
was not
        restored because it already existed. In the context of that restore,
it
        didn't make sense,  so I ran VSTORE and was dumfounded to see the
file
        twice consecutively on the tape.

        Someone else had mentioned that an advantage could be gained in
situations
        where there was a multi-volume backup.

        Perhaps, if you make the assumption that you would want to restore
files
        from SYS more often than, say, files from your PROD or TEST account.

        Even so, and even if your backup was multi-volume, it's usually
pretty easy
        to determine which volume your files reside on by scanning the
listing or
        file containing it.

        Another reason I prefer the simplicity of using the "/" fileset, is
that
        it's more difficult to accidentally contruct a fileset that
unintentionally
        excludes something.


        At 01:49 PM 2001-03-06 -0500, Wesley Setree wrote:
        >I have had many reasons (over the years) to retrieve a file
residing in
        >the SYS
        >account. If this account is way in the back of the store tape it
will take
        >much
        >longer to retrieve it. All this statement does is bring the SYS
account to the
        >front of the tape and remove it from @[log in to unmask]@ to prevent it from
getting stored
        >twice.
        >
        > >>> Michael Hone <[log in to unmask]> 03/06 1:37 PM >>>
        >In the 6.5 System Software Maintenance Manual, you are directed to
backup
        >the system as follows:
        >
        >STORE @[log in to unmask],@[log in to unmask]@[log in to unmask]@.SYS;*T;DIRECTORY;SHOW
        >
        >What is the practical benefit over:
        >
        >STORE @[log in to unmask]@;*T;DIRECTORY;SHOW ?
        >
        >And if one does a full system backup every night, is there a
benefit to the
        >former over the latter?
        >
        >Thanks in advance,
        >Michael
        >
        >
        >Michael Hone
        >Business Systems Analyst
        >Wine Country Gift Baskets
        >4225 North Palm Street
        >Fullerton, California  92835-1045
        >phone: (714) 525-3043, ext. 210
        >fax: (801) 659-6894
        >e-mail:  <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
mailto:[log in to unmask]
        >Visit us on the web 24-hours-a-day at:
        ><http://www.winecountrygiftbaskets.com/>
        >http://www.winecountrygiftbaskets.com/


---------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Gilles Schipper
        GSA Inc.
        HP3000 & HP9000 System Administration Specialists
        300 John Street, Box 87651   Thornhill, ON Canada L3T 7R4
        Voice: 905.889.3000     Fax: 905.889.3001
        Internet:  [log in to unmask]

---------------------------------------------------------------------------