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Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
From:
Michael Berkowitz <[log in to unmask]>
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Michael Berkowitz <[log in to unmask]>
Date:
Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:25:41 -0800
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Tracy vs. Tracy

Mano y mano

Your referee for today's entertainment
Mike Berkowitz
Guess? Inc.

-----Original Message-----
From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 9:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
Importance: Low


O.K. When I find HP "smart" terminal regularly
used in the context of an HP2645A HP2647, HP2622B,
HP2626W, HP2624A or B HP2382, HP2392, HP150,
HP700/92, HP700/94, or HP700/96, ...

I'll recant.  Until then, I'll call them
"dumb" terminals to my heart's content.

BT


Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tracy Pierce [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 12:08 PM
> To: Johnson, Tracy; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> 
> 
> > Just because I didn't spit out the exact model number you 
> have to nitpick!
> > I did say it was an "HP" dumb terminal...
> 
> Yes you did, and I'm touched that you see my correction as a 
> nitpick, then
> make the same mistake again.
> 
> A "dumb terminal" (which lookup via google) is simply that.  
> No magic, or
> very little.  HPTerm on the other hand uses a very 
> proprietary and quite
> extensive system of controls for doing all sorts of magic, including
> unprotected fields, display enhancement, etc etc.  But I 
> guess you could
> call it dumb because it doesn't show nulls in display 
> functions mode, dumb!
> 
> They're quite opposite, and you seem quite touchy!  
> 
> The exact model number _I_ spit out happens to be one that 
> does do monitor
> mode, what you need to see nulls on the screen.  You can also 
> see them with
> the old 256x printers; I think you use the very same escape 
> sequence to turn
> it on, too.  TerminalControlLanguage, that entity which 
> includes sequences
> to turn on blinking etc, developed (or should we say 
> evolved?) alongside
> PrinterControlLanguage, is the reason you see that HP logo on 
> all those
> laser printers.  Canon had a cool laser engine, and needed a 
> way to talk to
> it.  HP got so rich they forgot about their flagship computer.
> 
> You ask a real question here, you get a real answer, sometimes.
> 
> Tracy Pierce
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:21 AM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > 
> > 
> > Just because I didn't spit out the exact model number
> > you have to nitpick!  I did say it was an "HP" dumb
> > terminal...
> > 
> > BT
> > 
> > 
> > Tracy Johnson
> > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=20
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > > Behalf Of Tracy Pierce
> > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 1:16 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > "HP terminal" and "dumb terminal" are two different things,=20
> > > dumb terminal
> > > meaning "doesn't do squat except CR & LF", HP Terminal=20
> > > meaning "knows HP
> > > terminal control language", a collection of HP-exclusive=20
> > > (mostly) responses
> > > to escape sequences.
> > >=20
> > > But if your terminal is an HP 2645A, there's a button=20
> > > labelled "display
> > > functions", and there's a red pilot lamp indicating that it's=20
> > > on.  If you do
> > > control-display-functions (or something similar, sbeen a=20
> > > while), you get
> > > MonitorMode, which displays the nulls, and blinks the pilot lamp.
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Johnson, Tracy [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 8:57 AM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh and BTW, I went to a HP dumb terminal and got:
> > > >
> > > > LSSSC
> > > > FXHXR
> > > >
> > > > Same as Reflection but without the s/e
> > > >
> > > > BT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tracy Johnson
> > > > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=3D20
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Johnson, Tracy
> > > > > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2004 11:38 AM
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: [HP3000-L] Display Function Behavior on 3 Emulators
> > > > > Importance: Low
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > When using Display Functions on 3 HP terminal emulators 
> > I get=3D20
> > > > > three differing results when displaying the same file. =3D20
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > The file is IFILE.FDATABAS a MANMAN file record #1.  I'm using
> > > > > two lines to represent non displayable characters to get my
> > > > > point across.  Blanks are shown as blanks.
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > Which is the proper representation? =3D20
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > (I suppose I could have it display in Hex or Octal 
> but that=3D20
> > > > > would be too easy.)
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > Reflection 1 ver 5.20:
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > LSSSSC
> > > > > FXEHXR
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > Minisoft 92 ver 5.4:
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > L S S    S C
> > > > > F X H    X R
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > QCTerm 2.1:
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > LNS"SNNNNSNC
> > > > > FUX HUUUUXUR
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > BT
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > >=3D20
> > > > > Tracy Johnson
> > > > > MSI Schaevitz Sensors=3D20
> > > > >=3D20
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