re: "... the HP3000 is hardware.  SAP is software."

The thing is, many many HP-3000 people refer/consider the HP-3000 to be a
package of hardware and software.  It is but for non-3000 people, I personaly
try to say "MPE/iX" a lot instead of HP-3000.  That gets "I dont know what
you are talking about" type responses but it avoids the "HP-3000 = old
technology" mindset.  Then I can explain that the HP-3000 hardware equals
HP-9000 hardware and thus I have my audience now thinking that HP-3000 might
just equal new technology hardware.  The next step is to equate MPE/iX with
HP-UX as alternative OS's on the same HW platform.  Now if only HP would
provide us with a software switch so we can run both OS's on one physical
box... how about both OS's at the SAME time using diff disc drives???  Am I
dreaming again?

Wayne Boyer