Deny,
I'll save my 'mind numbingly boring, bandwidth wasting' longer version until
later. I will say in short that I would divide the content of Senator
Millers' speech into two parts. The first part being irrelevant and
unimportant personal information that I will not dispute and the second part
complete and total vitriolic distortion of the truth.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:23 PM
To: 'Glenn Paden'; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT Deny's Don't Bite [was: Simple Truths]
I knew it was not a trick.
I watched the Democrats respond to Sen. Miller's comments throughout the
day and read some stuff at various newspapers.
The gist of the responses is pretty similar to Wirt's executive summary,
which he graciously posted earlier, and just as informative. It seems
that no one could point to something in Sen. Miller's speech and say
"that's false" or "that's simply not so."
The pundits did try to create controversy on some issues like "are you
questioning the patriotism of the Democrats (Matt Lauer)?"
What Sen. Miller did was detail John Kerry's 19-year record in the US
Senate. This was something that Kerry and the Democrats avoided at all
costs at their convention and throughout the campaign.
Senator Kerry's positions on things are very difficult to pin down. If
I, a political junkie of sorts, can't say with any degree of certitude
where Kerry stands on the war on terror (AKA WW IV,) the economy, health
care, taxes and homeland security, and this after watching the
Democratic convention, then the average person is probably totally in
the dark.
By not defining himself, Kerry has left it up to the Republicans and
others to do that for him, and so far this week, they have been pretty
effective.
Oh and please don't send me to Kerry's web site. I have already visited
it enough to know that I will not find a direct answer there either.
Interestingly enough, I have spent far more time at Kerry's web site
than I have at W's site.
Denys
-----Original Message-----
From: Glenn Paden [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 4:50 PM
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT Deny's Don't Bite [was: Simple Truths]
Having no desire to launch another rehashing of opinions already posted
before I will limit my comments to say there was no trick in my comment
and
that Zell Miller grossly mischaracterized both GWB and JK and
Democratics.
Glenn
-----Original Message-----
From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 1:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT Deny's Don't Bite [was: Simple Truths]
I don't think it is a trick; Glenn has been pretty forthright throughout
these discussions. I truly believe he thinks last night Sen. Zell
Miller made some statements that Glenn considers outrageous. Whether he
will share with us what these statements might be, that he considers
outrageous or if he just made a baseless comment remains to be seen.
Denys
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Behalf Of Johnson, Tracy
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:03 PM
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Importance: Low
Deny's don't bite. He's really making the statement that you were
"disturbed", to which you agree with by replying. It is a trick.
The only thing YOU said were "Enjoy!" and the "Thank You ... " sentence
at the end. Other than that, all you sent was a quotation.
BT
Tracy Johnson
MSI Schaevitz Sensors
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 3:33 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Simple truths
>
>
> Ok, I'll bite. What outrageous things are you referring to?
>
> Denys
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glenn Paden [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 2:10 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: Simple truths
>
> Denys,
>
> I see you too were disturbed by the outrageous things Zell
> Miller said.
>
> Glenn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:35 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Simple truths
>
> Transcript of Democratic Senator from Georgia, Zell Miller's
> speech last
> night at the Republican Convention in New York City.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Since I last stood in this spot, a whole new generation of the Miller
> Family has been born: Four great grandchildren. Along with
> all the other
> members of our close-knit family, they are my and Shirley's most
> precious possessions.
>
> And I know that's how you feel about your family also. Like
> you, I think
> of their future, the promises and the perils they will face.
> Like you, I
> believe that the next four years will determine what kind of
> world they
> will grow up in. And like you, I ask which leader is it today that has
> the vision, the willpower and, yes, the backbone to best protect my
> family?
>
> The clear answer to that question has placed me in this hall with you
> tonight. For my family is more important than my party. There
> is but one
> man to whom I am willing to entrust their future and that
> man's name is
> George Bush.
>
> In the summer of 1940, I was an 8-year-old boy living in a
> remote little
> Appalachian valley. Our country was not yet at war, but even
> we children
> knew that there were some crazy men across the ocean who would kill us
> if they could. President Roosevelt, in his speech that summer, told
> America "all private plans, all private lives, have been in a sense
> repealed by an overriding public danger."
>
> In 1940, Wendell Wilkie was the Republican nominee. And there is no
> better example of someone repealing their "private plans"
> than this good
> man. He gave Roosevelt the critical support he needed for a peacetime
> draft, an unpopular idea at the time. And he made it clear
> that he would
> rather lose the election than make national security a
> partisan campaign
> issue.
>
> Shortly before Wilkie died, he told a friend, that if he
> could write his
> own epitaph and had to choose between "here lies a president" or "here
> lies one who contributed to saving freedom," he would prefer
> the latter.
>
> Where are such statesmen today? Where is the bipartisanship in this
> country when we need it most? Now, while young Americans are dying in
> the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our
> nation is being
> torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic
> obsession to
> bring down our Commander in Chief.
>
> What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in? I can
> remember when Democrats believed that it was the duty of America to
> fight for freedom over tyranny. It was Democratic President
> Harry Truman
> who pushed the Red Army out of Iran, who came to the aid of
> Greece when
> Communists threatened to overthrow it, who stared down the Soviet
> blockade of West Berlin by flying in supplies and saving the city.
> Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats
> and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would
> not falter.
>
>
> But not today.
>
> Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's
> Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.
> And nothing makes this Marine madder than someone calling American
> troops occupiers rather than liberators.
>
> Tell that to the one-half of Europe that was freed because Franklin
> Roosevelt led an army of liberators, not occupiers.
>
> Tell that to the lower half of the Korean Peninsula that is
> free because
> Dwight Eisenhower commanded an army of liberators, not occupiers.
>
> Tell that to the half a billion men, women and children who are free
> today from the Baltic to the Crimea, from Poland to Siberia, because
> Ronald Reagan rebuilt a military of liberators, not occupiers.
>
> Never in the history of the world has any soldier sacrificed more for
> the freedom and liberty of total strangers than the American soldier.
> And, our soldiers don't just give freedom abroad; they
> preserve it
> for us here at home.
>
> For it has been said so truthfully that it is the soldier, not the
> reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.
>
> It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
>
> It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to
> protest.
>
> It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose
> coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to
> abuse and burn that flag.
>
> No one should dare to even think about being the Commander in Chief of
> this country if he doesn't believe with all his heart that
> our soldiers
> are liberators abroad and defenders of freedom at home. But
> don't waste
> your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their
> warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.
> They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that
> which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided
> foreign policy.
>
> It is not their patriotism - it is their judgment that has been so
> sorely lacking. They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.
>
> They were wrong.
>
> They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.
>
> They were wrong.
>
> And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two
> Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry. Together,
> Kennedy/Kerry have opposed the very weapons system that won
> the Cold War
> and that is now winning the War on Terror.
>
> Listing all the weapon systems that Senator Kerry tried his
> best to shut
> down sounds like an auctioneer selling off our national security but
> Americans need to know the facts.
>
> The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the
> bombs in the first six months of Operation Enduring Freedom.
>
> The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes
> against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq.
>
> The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadifi's
> Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator
> Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora.
>
> The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those
> Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15
> Eagles, that
> Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this
> very city after 9/11.
>
> I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that
> shot down
> Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis
> air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against
> the Trident missile; against, against, against.
>
> This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of our
> U.S. Armed
> Forces?
>
> U.S. forces armed with what?
>
> Spitballs?
>
> Twenty years of votes can tell you much more about a man than twenty
> weeks of campaign rhetoric. Campaign talk tells people who you want
> them to think you are. How you vote tells people who you
> really are deep
> inside. Senator Kerry has made it clear that he would use
> military force
> only if approved by the United Nations. Kerry would let Paris decide
> when America needs defending.
>
> I want Bush to decide.
>
> John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to
> outsource our
> national security. That's the most dangerous outsourcing of all. This
> politician wants to be leader of the free world.
>
> Free for how long?
>
> For more than 20 years, on every one of the great issues of
> freedom and
> security, John Kerry has been more wrong, more weak and more
> wobbly than
> any other national figure.
>
> As a war protester, Kerry blamed our military.
>
> As a Senator, he voted to weaken our military. And nothing shows that
> more sadly and more clearly than his vote this year to deny protective
> armor for our troops in harm's way, far away.
>
> George Bush understands that we need new strategies to meet
> new threats.
>
> John Kerry wants to re-fight yesterday's war. George Bush believes we
> have to fight today's war and be ready for tomorrow's
> challenges. George
> Bush is committed to providing the kind of forces it takes to root out
> terrorists.
>
> No matter what spider hole they may hide in or what rock they crawl
> under. George Bush wants to grab terrorists by the throat and not let
> them go to get a better grip. From John Kerry, they get a
> "yes-no-maybe" bowl of mush that can only encourage our enemies and
> confuse our friends.
>
> I first got to know George Bush when we served as governors
> together. I
> admire this man. I am moved by the respect he shows the first
> lady, his
> unabashed love for his parents and his daughters, and the fact that he
> is unashamed of his belief that God is not indifferent to America.
>
> I can identify with someone who has lived that line in
> "Amazing Grace,"
> "Was blind, but now I see," and I like the fact that he's the same man
> on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning. He is not a slick
> talker but he is a straight shooter and, where I come from,
> deeds mean a
> lot more than words. I have knocked on the door of this
> man's soul and
> found someone home, a God-fearing man with a good heart and a spine of
> tempered steel. The man I trust to protect my most precious
> possession:
> my family. This election will change forever the course of
> history, and
> that's not any history. It's our family's history.
>
> The only question is how. The answer lies with each of us. And, like
> many generations before us, we've got some hard choosing to do. Right
> now the world just cannot afford an indecisive America. Fainthearted
> self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world. In
> this hour of danger our President has had the courage to stand up. And
> this Democrat is proud to stand up with him.
>
> Thank you.
>
> God Bless this great country and God Bless George W. Bush.
>
>
>
> Denys
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