ala Jim McCoy and Brice,
yep, nothing if not thoughtful, Mlle; slack you got. Slack is one factor in
causing farts, hot air another.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 5:57 PM
> To: 'Tracy Pierce'; [log in to unmask]
> Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] OT: Non-conservative comments
>
> Actually, I meant to say "I am a brain fart" and "thank good" is what
> resulted from it. I also must confess that English is NOT my first
> language so I hope you will cut me some slack.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Tracy Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 12:26 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Non-conservative comments
>
> I bet you're an a$$hole at home, too.
>
> talking to good again, eh? time for your meds!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Denys Beauchemin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:37 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: OT: Non-conservative comments
> >
> >
> > After reading your LONG diatribe explaining how you would have done
> > NOTHING, I can only thank good, you are where you are. :-)
> >
> > Denys
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of James B. Byrne
> > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:48 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Non-conservative comments
> >
> > On 29 Oct 2004 at 11:55, John Lee wrote:
> >
> > > Put yourself in GWB's shoes and tell us all...what would
> > > you have done
> >
> > Well, I do not believe that I would have invaded Iraq if
> that is your
> > question. I do not think that I would have permitted the House of
> > Saud to evacuate its family members resident in the United States to
> > flee my jurisdiction. I do not believe that I would have decided to
> > go out and make any more trouble for my country than I
> already faced.
> >
> > Maybe I would have sat down with some of my senior non-political
> > staff and listened to what they had to say. Maybe some of the
> > insights offered by these loyal Americans who have served their
> > country well for decades might have given me some guidance in the
> > treacherous waters that I was now forced to navigate. Maybe I would
> > have reflected deeply on what options really existed and on which
> > ones were likely to bear fruit and which were likely to turn sour.
> > Maybe I would have thought about what should be done and what could
> > be done instead of shooting at my favourite target.
> >
> > Maybe I was have looked to other countries and said, we are all in
> > this together so what do you think should be done about it. Maybe I
> > would have had a coherent long-term policy worked out by
> the best and
> > the brightest my country had to offer, with measurable goals and
> > realizable processes established. Maybe I would have sold these
> > ideas to the world. Maybe I would have used a little arm
> twisting, a
> > little horse trading to sell them. Maybe I would have had to push a
> > little aggressively in private to obtain consent. Maybe I
> would have
> > had to settle for less than all that I wanted. Maybe I would have
> > had to compromise. Maybe I would have had to put the interests of
> > the world ahead of my own. Maybe I would have avoided pushing other
> > countries to adopt policies that could only publicly humiliate their
> > governments. Maybe if I had then the amount of arm twisting and
> > horse trading necessary might not be so great after all and the
> > amount of discontent and resistance much reduced. Maybe if I could
> > not get enthusiastic endorsement then at least I might have obtained
> > reserved consent.
> >
> > But whatever I ultimately chose to do, I would not have done it
> > alone. I would not have proceeded without the consensus of the
> > people upon whom my country's security and prosperity ultimately
> > rest. I would not have gone out of my way to sow discord and
> > distrust where none grew before. I would not have attacked Iraq.
> >
> > I think that I would have put my country's best interests
> ahead of my
> > personal beliefs. I do not think that I would have lied to
> my people
> > to obtain their grudging consent for acts that most had deep
> > misgivings about. I do not think that I would have focused
> my hatred
> > on one individual and ignored all the contra-indicators. I do not
> > believe that I would have led my country into a bottomless pit of
> > violence and destruction, and in the end have had no better
> plan than
> > to continue the orgy of killing until someone else stops me
> because I
> > lack the wit to stop myself.
> >
> > I would have gone after the money, the contacts, the enablers, the
> > feeders of intelligence and the purveyors of hatred. I would have
> > sought out those that fund and agitate. Whether high or
> low, whether
> > prince or pauper, whether christian or muslim, atheist or
> agnostic, I
> > would have had them found, outed and brought to justice before a
> > court, not shot out of hand.
> >
> > But, had I attempted this I would be dead. Because you see,
> the great
> > crime in all this is that it is mostly an illusion. You do not have
> > to look far to see which country is exporting radical islamic
> > fundamentalism, and it is neither Iraq nor Iran. You do not have to
> > delve deep to discover where the money comes from. You do not have
> > to be terribly well informed to discover just where the
> epicentre for
> > most of this discontent arises.
> >
> > What was the nationality of the majority of hijackers on
> 9/11. Where
> > was OBL born and raised? Where does he get his money? Why is he
> > still at large and Saddam in prison? What is the home of the most
> > holy places of Islam? Whose form of government is so distant from
> > the secular ideal of western philosophies and representative
> > democracy that its workings are barely comprehensible to Europeans?
> > Whose purpose does a United States invasion of Iraq serve? Quo Bono?
> > Not I. Not You. Not the United States. Not the west. But somebody
> > benefits, who?
> >
> > Why is the obvious overlooked and the trivial attacked?
> Because that
> > is the safe way. Not safe for you, not safe for the United States,
> > not safe for the world. But it is safe for those that profit under
> > current economic and political arrangements and wish to perpetuate
> > them. It is safe for those that do not wish to bring unwelcome
> > attention to themselves by pointing out to the emperor that he wears
> > no clothes. It is safe for those that demand instant gratification
> > for their emotional desire for revenge and wish to
> undertake no great
> > risk to themselves to obtain it.
> >
> > What would I have done? I would have sought a solution and not
> > created another problem thereby; that is what I would have done. I
> > do not claim that I would have found one, but I would have tried and
> > at the very least left no more of a mess than I started with.
> >
> > I would not have eschewed violence, but it would not have been my
> > principal instrument. I would not have demanded unanimity
> from other
> > states but nonetheless I would have forged a large majority in
> > support of whatever action was taken. I might have covertly
> > subverted the rules of the United Nations in seeking out those
> > responsible, but I would not have overtly defied that organization
> > either. In the end, no matter how they are realized in
> fact, results
> > must be perceived to have been legitimately obtained to be
> sustained.
> > Therefore illusion is a necessary part of statecraft. But
> duplicity
> > and deceit are not and in practice cause more harm than good.
> >
> > I would have tried to be president, to all Americans and not just
> > those that agree with me, knowing that this is impossible but
> > understanding that the attempt must be made. I would have cherished
> > the ideas of justice and humanity, compassion and forbearance that
> > the United States constitution seeks to establish, not just for
> > Americans, but for all the people of the world. I would have told
> > the American populace that their fear, though understandable, if
> > heeded is more destructive than any terrorist bomb and must
> therefore
> > be resisted. That anger and hate cannot guide a people
> safely out of
> > tragedy. That in the long run there is only one world and we must
> > all find a place for everyone within it. That is what I would have
> > done.
> >
> > But evidently some would much rather just kill.
> >
> > --
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