At 09:33 AM 4/8/2005, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>Shawn writes:
>
> > so once again what I'm seeing is you throwing out blanket, controversial
> >  statements about things that just aren't supported by the facts, even when
> >  you are supplying the information that supposedly backs up your claim.
>
>I'm not sure how much "truth" you think I can put into one sentence. I said
>that the stem cell lines approved by the current administration are
>contaminated with mouse- (and possibly) cow-expressed molecules. This
>contamination has
>been suspected for several years and was recently confirmed, resulting in a
>publication earlier this year in Nature Medicine. That statement seems to
>me to
>be the essence of non-controversality, being as close to the truth as we
>currently know it.

You are still repeating something that has not proven to be true, and here
I thought you were all about empirical evidence.  There is one confirmed
line that it contaminated, and apparently using animals to develop the
lines is a common practice from what I understood of the information you
supplied.  Second, embryonic stem cells are simply one type of stem cell,
there are others available, so the fact that a single line of embryonic
stem cells has been confirmed to be contaminated with a single mouse
molecule (I think that's what they said) hardly falls under the blanket
statements you've been throwing around.


>Nor did I say that the contaminated cell lines still could not be useful. If
>you had never seen an automobile before, but came across one with four flat
>tires, you could still learn an enormous amount about how automobiles work
>without actually ever being able to apply that knowledge. Stem cell
>lineages are a
>dime a dozen. Any reasonable person would simply discard the contaminated
>lines and start over with fresh material.

if they are a dime a dozen then I don't understand your hand wringing over
the fact that the administration isn't going to fund any further
research.  I feel like I'm walking in a roundabout in this conversation
with you, it's all about misdirection.


>Wirt Atmar


Regards,

Shawn Gordon
President
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