Hi Michael,
Um... a few problems with your facts and prejudices...
Basic Training for the U.S. Army is 8 weeks minimum, and the Marine
Corp is longer (not exactly sure how much longer...) and these are the
only branches with "Soldiers" . The Air Force, Air National Guard have
'Airmen'. The Navy and Coast Guard have Sailors with the exception of the
SEALS who are referred to as SEALS.
Second is the the concept of our training methodology... The Army does
in fact have a training doctrine that bases on the fact that we will have
multilevel time tiered training for those units being used in the Combat
Arms. This is not always possible but is followed as closely as possible.
You show your prejudice against the National Guard and your lack of
knowledge about it by calling Guardsmen "Weekend Warrior". This term was
thrown out years ago when the Guard had over 50% callups for the Desert
Storm. Especially now when the Guard is deployed in over 60 countries on
Peace Keeping, UN Relief and Combat Missions. The Oregon Army and Air
National Guard alone has over 48 % of our personnel deployed overseas in
combat zones. My Unit alone has almost 20% deployed either in Homeland
Security Ops or at Fort Benning teaching NCO Development Courses.
The National Guard is trained and evaluated using the same Programs of
Instruction, materials and standards as their active components are. With
one major exception... Guardsmen, like myself, have to maintain our
civilian training and certifications at the same time as maintaining our
military training, certifications and qualifications. Also, for all of the
10's of thousands of National Guardsmen and Reservists that are deployed
(many for 1-3 years already) civilian careers have been put on hold while
serving.
You need to review your subjects before evaluating something ... your
statements are likened to the New York Times reporter that didn't do his
research for this articles a while back... If you want to know how easy the
life of the National Guard is.... call your local armory and arrange a
'ride along' weekend... the recruiter would love to support your quest for
facts.... Make it an infantry unit if there are any in your area that
haven't been deployed... After all ... the Reserve Components make up 50+%
of the U.S. military force.
Art "always willing to educate those who know not who serve" Bahrs
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On Mon, 22 Mar 2004 09:49:12 -0500, Brice Yokem <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>The premise of your comment is that Mankind is fundamentally aggressive
>towards itself. If this were true, why is it that numerous studies of the
>behaviour of soldiers in combat demonstrates or, at least, points to
Mankind
>being fundamentally averse to killing their own? The only human types
that
>fulfil your premise are psychopaths.
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>The unanimous consent you speak of is already built into our genes.
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>Richard -
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>There are other things built into our genes also, and it does not take
>a psycopath for this to manifest itself. Soldiers have years of
>rigorous training in order to become soldiers, this is to override
>these 'other' impulses.
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Years of rigorous training. ROFL
You have no idea about the military, right?
6 weeks base-training or our "weekend-warriors" from the National Guard.
When did they receive the years of training?
You ever been in a military post and seen the training?
If not, JOIN or stop talking about things you have no idea about
Michael
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