On Wed, 4 Oct 2006 16:22:36 -0400, Brice Yokem <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Brice,
>
>it does. Break a couple more legs and in the end, there is only 1 left.
>So, were is this huge democracy? And this should be exported to other 
>countries. Why?
>Or even be an example of how other countries should be run? WHY?
>
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>
>It is still a vast improvement over how these other countries are run.
>It is true some people use the word 'Democracy' like it is some sort
>of trump card when the real 'trump' is 'Consent of the Governed'  
>These other countries need a way to have a choice over what kind of
>government they want and 'Democracy' is a way to do that.
>
>Democracy has failed when there is a large number of people (not always
>a majority) who have something to gain by it failing.  They do everything
>they can to prevent it, including killing the people supporting it.

Brice,
it fails, because a large number of people elected are corrupt and only 
work in the best interest of the highest bidder.
Is it just human nature?

Where is then the difference between a dictatorship and this?
We can vote every 4 years, true. But that is about the only difference.
As soon as one is elected, the bidders show up and start throwing money 
around.
Not many can resist this, no matter what party they belong to.

That is one of the things that Tom DeLay really perfected. Bring 
former/future politicians into companys and later they will represent them 
with the best interest.

Maybe Wirt has a solution, I don't except not being quiet.

Even if this are the consequences: Free Speech ??????? DEMOCRACY ??????

Kirk Johnson writes in the New York Times: "A Colorado man who was arrested 
in June on harassment charges after he approached Vice President Dick 
Cheney to denounce the war in Iraq filed a federal lawsuit on Tuesday 
accusing a Secret Service agent of civil rights violations.

"In his suit, filed in Federal District Court in Denver, the man, Steven 
Howards, an environmental consultant who lives in Golden, Colo., says he 
stepped up to the vice president to speak his mind in a public place and 
found himself in handcuffs -- in violation, the suit says, of the 
Constitution's language about free speech and illegal search and 
seizure. . . .

"The suit joins two others -- in West Virginia and another in Denver -- 
charging that Secret Service agents or White House staff members violated 
the law in keeping people with opposing political views away from President 
Bush or Mr. Cheney."

Mike McPhee writes in the Denver Post: "While walking his 11-year-old son 
to a piano lesson, Howards saw Cheney shaking hands and posing for photos. 
He walked over and told Cheney, 'I think your policies in Iraq are 
reprehensible.' . . .

About 10 minutes later, Howards and his 8-year-old son were walking back 
through the square when [Secret Service Agent Virgil Reichle Jr.] allegedly 
walked up to Howards and asked him whether he had assaulted the vice 
president.

"'He came out of the shadows,' Howards said. 'He didn't accuse me but asked 
me if I had assaulted Cheney. I said no, he grabbed me and handcuffed me 
behind my back in front of my son. As he led me away, I told him I can't 
abandon my son. He said he'd call social services.'"

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