It was not my purpose to denigrate the people who wrote MPE.  I was just pointing out that if tool A allows something and that something is different from what tool B expects, and both of these tools are available from the same place (MPE is this case), then they are not consistent with one another (as one would expect from a mature product such as MPE).

As for what motivates me, that is another (rather off-topic) subject entirely.

Jim


--- On Mon, 7/14/08, Denys Beauchemin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> From: Denys Beauchemin <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Cannot Purge PRIV mode File Problem
> To: [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 8:21 AM
> It's not my purpose to defend the "HP MPE
> programmers," but I would think
> that when one is using AIF procedures which require
> privileged mode, one
> should be paying attention.  When one is using a very
> powerful tool, one
> should be extra cautious.
> 
> So, tell me again why you see this misuse of a tool as
> another reason for
> you to "recreate" MPE, as a service under Linux. 
> MPE, while being a
> somewhat small operating system in comparison to current
> ones, is still
> quite large and if this infinitesimal aspect is your
> motivating factor, I
> foresee a rather large shock in your future.
> 
> Denys
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> Of Jim Phillips
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 6:05 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Cannot Purge PRIV mode File Problem
> 
> On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 22:49:37 -0500 Denys Beauchemin writes:
> 
> > Shawn, great answer.
> >
> > Another one is something about someone blaming his
> tools for his errors.
> 
> After Shawn Gordon on Sunday, July 13, 2008 4:13 PM wrote:
> 
> >> that's like blaming the steak for not cooking
> itself to the right
> >> temperature.
> 
> I think you are both missing the point here, which is the
> inconsistency of
> the tools HP provided via MPE for handling lockwords.  If
> the facility
> exists (as it plainly does) to allow lower-case lockwords,
> then the system
> should handle lower-case lockwords in *all* commands,
> intrinsics, etc.  If
> the intent of the HP MPE programmers was to not allow
> lower-case lockwords
> (which appears to be the case) then *all* commands,
> intrinsics, etc. should
> have consistently either rejected invalid lockwords or
> upshifted them or
> whatever was needed to make it equisitely obvious to the
> user what was
> happening.
> 
> I see this as another reason for us to "recreate"
> MPE, perhaps as a service
> under Linux (hint, hint)....
> 
> 
> Jim Phillips
> 
> 
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