Speaking of opinions and fact, did anybody see Billy-boy's interview on Fox 
yesterday.  Boy, he was riled.  I've never seen him like that.  We need 
more honest emotions from our leaders...it's a form of leadership.

John Lee



At 09:01 AM 9/25/06 -0700, Ron Seybold wrote:
>Hello Denys, and other friends:
>
>Thanks for the welcome. It's a gracious gesture from such a prolific 
>poster, both on-topic and OT.
>
>OT postings don't bother me, per se. The ones that work to demonize and 
>insult people seem like soapbox material, to me. I have an opinion about 
>the postings, so I labelled mine under "OT: Mars." Odd, that. I wanted to 
>feel like I was part of a debate, I suppose.
>
>To Brice, on another list, my posts were "mealy-mouthed invective." Aside 
>from being an oxymoron, the depiction doesn't feel accurate. I am trying 
>to see the bigger picture, even promote peace through respect. Believe me, 
>if there's anybody who could expel more damaging invective in fewer words 
>on this list than me, I'd like to meet them. And I do mean meet them; this 
>high ground of internet screeds and trolling offers a lot of cover for the 
>sniping I read.
>
>Denys asked:
>
>"I thought my line “Algore does to science what Michael Moore does to 
>history,” was very clever, thinking that anyone who took offense to that 
>would be confused and conflicted.
>
>"So Ron, when you took exception to it, is it because:
>
>"a) You think that Michael Moore’s movie was correct in every way but 
>that Algore’s movie is crap and equating the two is an insult to Michael 
>Moore.
>
>"b) You think that Algore’s movie is correct in every way but that 
>Michael Moore’s movie was crap and equating the two is an insult to Algore.
>
>"So, is it a or b?"
>
>Now that's clever, I'll admit. Kind of like, "When did you stop beating 
>your wife?" All in good sport, I hear you say. Some people don't like 
>boxing as a sport. I like a good fight -- one with no repercussion except 
>bruises, bragging and belt transfers.
>
>But when it comes to the commander in chief or his 2000 rival, I don't 
>believe that's a sport. Nor do I think that your two choices you gave me 
>cover the range of what I meant to say. I can point to a recent ABC 
>"docudrama" that was as biased as either Gore's movie or Moore's. These 
>are editorials, really. It's unfortunate that ABC decided to air its 
>program with all of its factual errors. Dramatic license has been used for 
>centuries to tell tall tales. I'm off ABC now, and all of its advertisers. 
>A letter to my local affilate made my boycott evident.
>
>What I meant to say about Algore (as you call him) and W is this: pulling 
>down anybody with subjective facts seems unlikely to change the outcome of 
>the future of the US. Running for office, posting in a widely-read forum 
>like a newspaper or even a daily newspaper's blog, even working in a 
>precinct as a chair, joining a volunteer organization -- that's the sort 
>of thing worthy of brainpower and passion. Everything is just an exercise 
>of First Amendment rights.
>
>OT is a good exercise of humor, writing skills and thinking. I just have a 
>preference for information instead of opinion. I think it's pretty clear 
>to me right now where you and Brice stand on those topics that can have a 
>political angle. It disappoints me that anything not directly related to 
>the HP 3000 or computing veers toward socio-political debate here, and on 
>another list we both read.
>
>(Oh, and I've got that I-64 t-shirt, too. I'd love to be talking about 
>MPE/iX 8.0, let along 9.0. I still believe someday in the future we can 
>discuss that here, once OpenMPE gets a lab up and running. That's another 
>group still reaching for the respect they deserve.)
>
>(Okay, I spent 10 minutes on this one. And I'm beginning to see how this 
>is addictive. Good thing I already had today's NewsWire NewsBlog story 
>online. HP's calling off its 3000-to-9000 conversion kit program. Read 
>about it at <http://3000newswire.com/blog>)
>
>Hope everybody has a good Monday; thanks for playing. And I'm looking 
>forward to seeing Denys and everybody else at GHRUG in November.
>
>Ron Seybold
>3000 NewsWire
>
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