Not sure I agree with the wisdom of free market forces.
I'd submit that today's free market decides in favor of the owners of
large aggregates of capital. This "decision" isn't necessarily in the
interest of most people nor in the interest of "society."
FWIW.
Bruce.
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-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of John Lee
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:32 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: OT: Endangered species: US programmers
This is exactly why the government shouldn't be involved. This is best
left to supply and demand and market forces to determine.
John Lee
At 11:52 AM 10/16/04 -0300, Gary Nolan wrote:
>I agree with Ray. The last company I worked for closed due to
government
>action and inaction. The company was a politcal football for years. The
only
>time the govement seems to get involved is when there is something in
it for
>thier "business buddies". Here in Canada job creation has big govement
>involvement. In the last few year they have closed down the mining and
steel
>industries and replaced them with call center jobs. They have done a
great
>job they traided $25-30/ hours jobs for $9.75/ hour.
>
>The question I have to ask is where does it stop. If a company is
trying to
>pay the lowest possible wage to employees and keep the profits high by
>selling an expensive product who has the money to buy thier product.
>Eventually does not the system break down. If people do not have the
money
>to buy the products don't the companies go out of business because
there are
>no sales.
>
>Which comes first the chicken or the egg? The company or the job?
>
>
>Gary
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Craig Lalley" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 4:23 PM
>Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: Endangered species: US programmers
>
>
>> --- "Shahan, Ray" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > That's ok by me...what I'm against is that same government granting
tax
>> > breaks/incentives to companies that hinders my ability to exercise
my
>free
>> > choices, develop skills, hone my work ethic, and contract with an
>employer
>> > eager to hire someone like me. ".
>>
>> Wow, an intelligent response, that did not mention Bush, Kerry, Iraq
or
>any
>> name calling.
>>
>> Thanks Ray!
>>
>> -Craig
>>
>>
>>
>>
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