Hi Wirt and All :)
   What he said! :)

Art "...letting those who say it better .... say it :) hehehe" Bahrs

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>From: Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Minisoft 92 for Java
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan, 2000, 07:46
>

> James writes in reply to Larry:
>
>> Yes.. I did notice that, One if the reason I mentioned it. For the 3000's
>> sake, I really don't think we should ban the from short Advertisements..
>> After all they are part of the 3000's community as well.
>
> Hell's bells, the vendors ARE (and WERE) the HP3000 community. If it weren't
> the actions of a number of the vendors during the worst times of the HP3000,
> I'm absolutely sure that there wouldn't be an HP3000 now. These are the same
> people who wrote letters, gave talks, crusaded across the country, and
> repeatedly pestered Lew Platt and others until there was at least a glimmer
> of a turnaround in HP's corporate thinking.
>
> And they did this at their own expense, knowing full well that no individual
> user could possibly muster the resources to make as much noise, in as
> sustained a manner, as they could. And they remember full well that in the
> early days, the response from HP was a long series of dismissive statements
> saying that they're just a bunch of vendors who are trying to save their own
> asses.
>
> Al's comment that ".....the abuse of this forum by 'vendors' seems to have no
> end in sight!" is as foolish as it is shortsighted. Firstly, the "abuse"
> seems almost non-existent to me. Secondly, it is in my best interests, and
> yours too, to know what the development community (other than HP) are doing.
> The announcement of a Java-based terminal is an important bit of news to the
> HP3000. It brings another option to your choices as to how you approach your
> job and tasks.
>
> Rather than discourage such announcements, they should be very much
> encouraged, for all the reasons that James previously mentioned. Without
> these continuing developments, there won't be an HP3000 in anyone's future.
> Things are far better than they were just 10 years ago, but they are by no
> means secure. An active, healthy product development community is absolutely
> essential to the HP3000's future.
>
> Wirt Atmar