I also find that open is defined but the ones with the money.  If my boss
does not think the hp e3000 is open then for all practical purposes it is
not.  It is just this battle that the hp e3000 is really fighting.

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 -----Original Message-----
From:   Mike Whiteley [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Thursday, October 12, 2000 8:49 AM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: Quote of the week

All,

IHHO Oracle has the same potential to be open as Cobol or c or Allbase. If I
choose to use areas of those products that depart from the standard, then it
is I who has made my application non-open.

I recently constructed a small application that uses ODBC, and discovered it
works on MSAccess,Oracle and SQLServer (once I had created my tables of
course).  That's what I call open, and reinforces Richard's assertion that
"The SQL standard is the only thing meaningfully open."

I'd like to see whether it works on Image/SQL also, so if Birket's listening
I'd be happy to receive my free copy of his ODBC driver:)   - I'd be
delighted to post results, if Birket's up to it:)

Mike Whiteley
SMA, Houston TX


-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
Behalf Of Joseph Rosenblatt
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 12:48 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Quote of the week


Richard Gambrell wrote:

Sorry, but Oracle is *not* an Open system by any reasonable definition!

I can forgive those that forget NT is proprietary, but Oracle definitely is.

Image/sql also conforms to SQL standards, even if a tad older than Oracle's
conformance. The SQL standard is the only thing meaningfully open.

Richard

I have nothing to add to this statement, I just thought it was worth
rereading.

Joseph