I guess my confusion is that with the "license" what is transferable and
what is not?

If the box has on it, say Cobol, TurboIMAGE, Glance etc. etc., if the license
is not transferable does that mean I don't get that software on the box
if I buy it? Or does it "just" mean I can't call the HP hotline when the box 
dies a death (bad disk etc., system failures etc etc.)

Also, if I buy the box from "Joe's Manufacturing Company" will it still have
their name plastered all over it, or will it now have the new owner's name
on it?

Very confused about this "license" terminology and what it means and doesn't
mean....


Brian Donaldson.


On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:08:12 -0700, Bahrs, Art <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

>Hi Brett :)
>   Clarification Question... Are you saying (when you say
>"non-transferable") that the buyer cannot move the license to another
>machine or that the license will not transfer from the seller to the
>buyer?  I think I understand you to be saying the former and not the
>latter..
>
>Art "just wondering" Bahrs 
>
>Thanks,
>Art
>Art Bahrs, CISSP 
>Security Engineer 
>Providence Health & Services 
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Brett Forsyth
>Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:33 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: <A PLUG> 2 x e3000/N4000/400/75 for sale
>
>Hi Brian, just answered you offline, but let me hit the high points here
>as well.
>
>If HP support is not required, then why is the license an issue?  There
>are many viable third party companies that can support these units for
>both hardware and the OS - unless HP is a monopoly (and in violation the
>Sherman Anti-Trust Act).
>
>Any HP machine is authorized to use the last running operating system
>that was loaded on it when it was under support - on N class machines
>this is usually 7.0 or 7.5.  The OS is not separate from the machine -
>it is part and parcel.  Anybody every bought a machine from HP without
>an OS?  I don't believe that option is even available.  Why should HP
>get a second (third, fourth, fifth,etc.) licensing fee for the same box
>with the same OS?  Not like you can pull the OS off your 918 and pop it
>on you new system - without 
>paying HP again.   So if you can't just walk the OS your new system,
>then 
>where does it go - with the old system?  Things that make you go
>"hmmmm...".
>  
>Machines such as this are typically used for DR or testing, but there
>are still many large organizations that are grabbing any units they can
>find for the last remaining days of their transitions - licensed or not.
>Survival is the key here and HP no longer supplies the lock. Short term
>rentals where support is included, is another venue for these types of
>machines.
>
>Besides, isn't HP e3000 support an oxymoron these days anyway?
>
>Do not let the HP fear mongers fool you.  HP throws around the term
>"legal" in a very loose way, and since they can long longer buy the FBI
>to enforce this, it really is a non-issue.  Just because HP says you
>cannot do it, does not mean you can't - legally or otherwise - and there
>are many legal precedents that support this.  HP tends to bully their
>customer base around on this issue, but have yet to prove it in a court
>of law, and I doubt they could.  IBM tried and lost in the early 80's,
>and DEC again in the late 80's.
>
>Basically supply and demand is going on here - and there are not many
>machines left.  HP isn't (supposed to be) making any more, and many
>large and small e3000 clients still need critical business solutions
>that HP cannot (or will not) provide.
>
>As far as non-HP software support, it has been my experience that all
>they really want is your model string, SUSN code and an extremely large
>check.
>
>.. and don't get me started on the whole new RTU fiasco...
>
>
>Well, that should get some conversation started....
>
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