Gavin, at this point we should probably factor in the respective price of
both solutions, NetBase/SharePlex and MC/ServiceGuard. You'll find a 10:1
ratio, approx. Such a price gap makes it hard for an e3000 shop manager to
justify the price.

Bottom line : I agree with you that, according to the generally accepted
HP3000-L (and else) Mission Critical definitions, probably the same
proportion of e3000s and 9000 servers would qualify. But ... the tremendous
price tag of NetBase/Shareplex, especially when compared to MC/ServiceGuard,
makes it hard to sell the solution. My point is just that : the proportion
of NetBase/Shareple systems within the e3000 installed base is probably way,
way lower than the proportion of MC/ServiceGuard systems in the 9000 SERVER
(excluding workstations, therefore) installed base.

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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]De la
> part de Gavin Scott
> Envoyé : jeudi 11 avril 2002 03:09
> À : [log in to unmask]
> Objet : Re: [HP3000-L] Next HP Webcast
>
>
> Tom writes:
> > > From: george c stachnik
> > >
> > > Sletten Kenneth W KPWA noted here that the the April 2002 HPWorld
> > > magazine said: "We (HP) have installed over two million
> HP-UX systems,
> > > over 50,000 of which are in mission-critical
> environments."   However,
> > > he then tries to draw conclusions from that statement about the
> > > total number of HP-UX servers that we have installed.
> >
> > There's no need to "try" -- if the HPworld magazine is
> accurate in their
> > statements (i.e., 2mil installed; 50k are mission critical)
> then it stands
> > to reason that the number of non-mission-critical systems
> is 2,000,000 -
> > 50,000.
>
> It's my impression that the "50,000" number represents the number of
> licenses they've sold for some sort of "clustering" software (MC
> ServiceGuard?) which leads them to count these systems as
> "mission-critical".  This is a more restrictive definition of
> "mission-critical" than most of us are used to.
>
> For the HP3000, the equivalent measure would be the number of
> licenses of
> NetBase that have been sold (which I would guess is very
> close to the same
> proportion), and that just shows that the percentage of
> customers who need a
> "clustering solution" is about the same regardless of which
> OS they use.
>
> By the HP3000-L definition of "mission-critical", probably
> about the same
> percentage of MPE systems and HP-UX server systems would qualify.
>
> What it comes down to is that people use HP-UX servers for
> very much the
> same kind of things that they use HP3000s.  The absolute numbers are
> probably quite different (and a lot of that 2,000,000 may be
> workstations),
> but any relative measure is likely to be quite similar between MPE and
> HP-UX.
>
> G.
>
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