Ok, let's review the facts as we now have them.

1- Iraq was indeed trying to buy uranium from Niger.  It did so many times
in the past; even Joe Wilson's report stated that.

2- Saddam's Iraq has used WMDs many times in the past, against its own
citizens and in the Iran/Iraq war.

3- More than 300,000 bodies have been recovered from Iraqi mass graves.

4- Iraq was hiding WMDs from inspectors and moved them to Syria before OIF.
We now have the details on how this was accomplished.

5- The UN was totally and completely corrupted by Saddam with the Oil-for
Food program in what is arguably the biggest corruption scandal in the
history of mankind.

6- Saddam bought off the governments of France, Canada, Russia, Germany and
other countries using the Oil-For-Food program.

7- Germany, France and Russia rearmed Iraq of the first Gulf War.

8- Saddam bought off most, if not all, the European press with the
Oil-For-Food program.

9- Iraq was a training ground for terrorists for the last 10 years or so.
They had at least three training camps, one of which, Salman Park, had the
fuselage of a Boeing 727 on the ground to practice hijackings.

10- Saddam's Iraq had close ties to Al Quada and helped train and support
its "operatives."

11- Saddam's Iraq was a "safe harbor" for international terrorists for many
years before OIF.

12- Saddam had lots of WMD program waiting to resume their work after the
sanctions were to be lifted, including a nuclear WMD program.

13- Saddam's Iraq supported the Palestinian suicide bombers attacking Israel
or anywhere else.

14- Saddam's Iraq solicited the help of foreign jihad terrorists and
actually invited them into Iraq and trained them.

15- Saddam harbored the first WTC terrorists.


I could go on and on and you will notice that I did not give you any links
to look at simple because it really makes no difference to you and others
like you; no amount of document or information will change your mind.  You
actually believe that Saddam was a nice guy and didn't kill
300,000-2,000,000 people or more.  You absolutely refuse to believe that he
was a bad person, to say the least.  In your mind, George W. Bush is evil
for having removed Saddam and Tony Blair is evil for helping him.

The document dump that is coming out right now, and is totally ignored by
the legacy media (which includes about all the Euro-press,) details all this
stuff.  You never heard of it, and that's ok with you because it's all a
plot by the evil Bush to grab all the world's oil.

The Europeans have a long and sad history of ignoring a growing storm, to
their great detriment.  This time however, you will be on your own as many
European countries are now finding out.

I leave you with the following report from a few weeks ago.

"In London yesterday, I met General Georges Sada. An Iraqi Christian, he was
Air Vice Marshal in Saddam's Iraq and, despite being an Assyrian and not a
member of the Ba'ath party, was by his own account a close adviser to Saddam
and was very much at the heart of the action during Saddam's regime. Somehow
he survived and became, among other things, the President of the National
Presbyterian Church in Baghdad and head of the Iraqi branch of the Centre
for Peace and Reconciliation, whose headquarters are based at Coventry
Cathedral and whose bishop bestowed upon him the Prize for International
Peace and Reconciliation.

Last year, an American Christian organisation that raises funds for needy
Iraqi children invited Sada to a conference. At that conference, he raised
eyebrows when he announced that he knew beyond any shadow of a doubt that
Saddam had hidden his weapons of mass destruction in 2002-3 by transporting
them to Syria. He was persuaded to set down his account in a book, Saddam's
Secrets, which was published in America earlier this year by a small
Christian publisher, Integrity. This is what Sada says in his book about
Saddam's WMD.

The UN inspectors found and destroyed thousands of tons of weapons in
Saddam's Iraq. 

"But I can assure you, they didn't find everything. Because of his rapid
rebuilding capabilities, Saddam managed to hide many of these weapons, along
with the raw materials for building weapons of mass destruction. During the
times when these weapons were not actually in production - mainly because of
the threat posed by the United Nations inspectors - Saddam gave orders that
the scientists who had been working on these programmes were to keep their
plans, diagrams, formulas, raw materials and everything else in highly
secure underground vaults so that they could continue their work the minute
they were no longer being observed... "

"If Saddam ever suspected that there was any chance the inspectors would
find something, he would have everything destroyed. But even then, nothing
was really destroyed: the scientists had the knowledge and the budget, and
when the time was right they would simply begin again. This was even true in
the nuclear weapons programme. Even though we had not yet developed actual
nuclear warheads, we were working on them. We had some components, and
Saddam had developed sources in Europe, Asia and America who were willing to
supply whatever we needed."

As Sada says, prior to the Iraq war no-one in Europe or America ever doubted
that Saddam possessed WMD. So what happened to it? 

...there is a tremendous volume of intelligence on these matters and
mountains of anecdotal evidence. These are issues the Americans would likely
have pursued diplomatically. But if they did, they have not wanted to make
any of that information known to the media or the public. I am in quite a
different situation, however, as a former general officer who not only saw
these weapons but witnessed them being used on orders from the air force
commanders and the president of the country.

"Furthermore, I know the names of some of those who were involved in
smuggling WMDs out of Iraq in 2002 and 2003. I know the names of officers of
the front company, SES, who received the weapons from Saddam. I know how and
when they were transported and shipped out of Iraq. And I know how many
aircraft were actually used and what types of planes they were, as well as a
number of other facts of this nature..."

"Everyone in the international arms community knew that Saddam had them and
that he was spending like a sailor to buy more.The point is that when Saddam
finally grasped the fact that it was just a matter of time until Iraq would
be invaded by American and coalition forces, he knew he would have to take
special measures to destroy, hide or at least disguise his stashes of
biological and chemical weapons, along with the laboratories, equipment and
plans associated with nuclear weapons development..."

"Saddam had ordered our weapons teams to hide the WMDs in places no military
commander or United Nations weapons inspector would expect to find them. So
they hid them in schools, private homes, banks, business offices and even on
trucks that were kept constantly moving back and forth from one end of the
country to the other. And then fate stepped in..."

On June 4 2002, a three-mile long dam collapsed in Syria, causing a disaster
over 40 square miles. When Syria asked for help from Jordan and Iraq, Saddam
seized his opportunity.

"For him, the disaster in Syria was a gift, and there, posing as shipments
of supplies and equipment sent from Iraq to aid the relief effort, were
Iraq's WMDs. Weapons and equipment were transferred both by land and by air.
The only aircraft available at the time were one Boeing 747 jumbo jet and a
group of Boeing 727s. But this turned out to be the perfect solution to
Saddam's problem. Who would suspect commercial airliners of carrying deadly
toxins and contraband technology out of the country? So the planes were
quickly reconfigured..."

"Eventually there were fifty-six sorties. He [Saddam] arranged for most of
these shipments to be taken to Syria and handed over to ordnance specialists
there who promised to hold everything for as long as necessary. Subsequently
I spoke at length to a former civilian airline captain who had detailed
information about those flights. At the time he held an important position
at Iraqi airways, which is the commercial airline in Baghdad..."

"In addition to the shipments that went by air, there were also truckloads
of weapons, chemicals and other supplies that were taken into Syria at that
time. These weren't government vehicles or military equipment but large
cargo trucks and eighteen-wheelers made to look like ordinary commercial
operators..."

To keep all these transfers under wraps, the operators worked through a
false company called SES. 

"This company played a key role in transporting equipment back and forth
between Syria and Iraq, as well as in smuggling many former government
officials out of Iraq prior to and immediately after the US invasion in
March 2003."

When I spoke to Sada yesterday, he told me the pilots involved were now
terrified for their lives. As a result, he has undertaken not to name them.
This obviously makes verifying his account very difficult. 

He told me that the pilots told him that they saw yellow barrels with a
skull and crossbones motif being loaded onto the planes. Comical as this
sounds, he says the skull and crossbones is a recognised signal of dangerous
contents, and yellow signals the presence of chemicals. 

He also says that he lived and worked with the ever-present daily reality of
Saddam's tactics of hiding his WMD from the weapons inspectors. Whole
environments were transformed and rebuilt - buildings, whole factories - in
the largely successful strategy of hiding the stuff. The idea that Saddam
suddenly stopped hiding it and secretly destroyed it instead, he says, is
utterly ludicrous. Hiding WMD was the unchanging pattern of his regime.

He has listened to the tapes that recently surfaced of Saddam's discussions
with his top brass about the problems being caused by the UN weapons
inspectors. He says the translations that have so far been made of these
tapes are inadequate because the translators, who are of course Arabic
speakers, do not however speak Tikriti Arabic, the dialect in which these
discussions were conducted. Sada does speak Tikriti. He has translated a
crucial three and a half minutes of these tapes, he says, in which Saddam
and his generals are discussing how to outwit the UN inspectors; in which
they say that the problem of the chemical weapons is solved but the
biological are still causing a problem; that this problem will probably be
solved with the help of the Russians and the French; and in which Saddam
says: 'In the future the terrorism will be with WMD'.

In April 2004, a group of al Qaeda terrorists was caught in Jordan with 20
tons of Sarin gas. When Sada heard of this, he says, his blood ran cold.
There was only one place which was capable of producing 20 tons of Sarin:
Saddam's Iraq. To his horror, he says, he realised at that moment that
Saddam's WMD had got into the hands of al Qaeda.

Earlier this year, Sada was interrogated about his claims by the American
House Intelligence committee, to whom he gave the names of the Iraqi pilots.
Subsequently, he says, the Committee went to Iraq and spoke to the pilots.
The result, he says, is that a major American investigative and diplomatic
effort is now under way to finally locate the missing WMD.

But in Britain, I say, people now firmly believe that there were no WMD and
that we were taken to war on a lie. Sada looks utterly flabbergasted. 'How
can they possibly think that?' he asks in bewilderment and anger, and puts
his head in his hands."



Denys

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It's quite laughable really how Denys and Shawn can so obviously ignore what
has become common knowledge and persist in trying to point fingers in any
direction but at the facts.

You can't get people to take too much notice of litter in the street while
they  are trying to put out a house fire! :o)

Give up, guys. Sooner or later you will have to accept what really happened.

Cheers,

John

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