Thank you Wirt.

When I called the boss of CSY a liar 2-3 weeks ago, I was told by somebody
from CSY to get my flamesuit on.

They were the good guys at CSY but the announcement after the promises and
HPWorld2001 changes that.
Some people there are liars and now they want to cheat us out of more money.
Yes, I call it lying and betraying and then again lying, betraying and
cheating is mostly close together.


Well, IBM and SUN are waiting for us.
The AS400 looks better and better every day.
At least one vendor for Hardware, OS, DB and manymore and not 5 or 6 vendors
who never give you an answer but tell you it is the others fault and
problem.

Michael and those are my personal thoughts and my personal opinion.


On Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:48:39 -0600, Cynthia Fowler
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I think Wirt said it well! Why should I pay for training to go to a new
platform when I'm being FORCED off the current platform unwillingly? It just
makes one furious. Anything to make a buck.
>
>Cynthia Bridges-Fowler
>North American Salt Company
>a division of Compass Minerals Group
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>
>>>> Wirt Atmar <[log in to unmask]> 01/24/02 09:03PM >>>
>George Stachnik asks:
>
>> And finally - with some trepidation - I'd like to raise the question of
>> whether
>>  or not you think HP would be completely unreasonable to ask you to *pay*
>>  a fee for this training.  During this week's webcast, we surveyed the
>>  community, asking what you thought a reasonable price might be.
Frankly,
>>  I was a little surprised at the furor that was raised by this question.
>
>The problem is once again perceptions. The people at CSY, who have
generally
>acted as the "good guys", really do see themselves as the "good guys", and
>they ask questions from that point of view. Unfortunately, because of that
>perspective, they're often surprised at the answers.
>
>I think its very important for everyone to understand each other's points
of
>view. For most long-term HP3000 users, the very question tends to raise
more
>than a bit of ire. HP, by killing the HP3000, has betrayed the trust and
>confidence that it has worked so hard to engender in the user group over
the
>past 25 years. Indeed, if all of the recent promises are taken into
account,
>many as recent as HPWorld 2001, the perception that HP has outrightly lied
to
>the customer base is not unreasonable and HP has put itself in the same
>corporate trustworthy category as Enron.
>
>By asking the question, "How much are you willing to pay for migration
>assistance," is like asking someone who you just stabbed in the back and
who
>is now lying face down in a rain-soaked gutter, gushing blood, "How much
are
>you willing to pay for me to drive you to the hospital?"
>
>The question just tends to make you a little mad.
>
>Wirt Atmar
>
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