The point is Erik is there are countless rules and contradictions in that
book.  As someone who is quoting them verbatim then surely you must follow
all of them, which is pretty much impossible and illegal in some cases,
which then negates the validity all of them.

I find it strange that Christians are happy to pick one negative statement
out of the bible about homosexuality, yet ignore all the other statements,
like the ones listed below.

If you choose to live your life by the word of the Bible, then fine (even it
that's impossible with the contradictions) the rest of the sane world
doesn't, so why should they live by your rules.

You also wrote:

"I didn't associate, I said it was the next step down the path of moral
decay. Some will stop before going further but where we are now used to
be unthinkable. Rampant divorce used to be unthinkable before that. It
is a simple progression (I should say, regression). I've met people that
  have been caught up in both sodomy and beastiality (some for many
years). I understand the why without condoning the behavior. Someone
wanting to get out of the trap is far different from someone claiming
that there is nothing wrong with the behavior. Pedophilia sounds
unthinkable to you now but if we leave it unchecked, it will become
acceptable to some too."

People didn't get divorced in previous decades because of some unfair social
stigma and because that evil religion thing, not because they didn't want
to.  Back in the 'good old days' when racism, sexism and homophobia were
considered acceptable, beating women, paedophilia and rape were all brushed
under the carpet, I would rather live now in a so-called morally corrupt
time.

"Your choice to ignore the overwhelming evidence for God does not change
reality."

I would love to know what this evidence is, but we should probably take this
'off list'.



-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Vistica [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 24 November 2003 22:18
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Enlightenment?


 Do you ever drive over the speed limit? Do you ever not wear your
seatbelt? Better throw out the whole vehicle code and start running red
lights and driving the wrong way on the highway at will.

Richard Barker wrote:
> I assume Erik you abide by all the rules in the Bible then.  This is an
> amusing Email that went around some months ago on the subject.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Katie Snowball
>
> Sent: 26 September 2002 10:38
>
> To: Bitch
>
> Subject: [Bitch] Bible study
>
>
>
>
>
> Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a U.S. radio personality who dispenses advice to
> people who call in to her radio show. She said that, as an observant
> Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus
18:22,
> and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.
>
> The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a U.S. resident,
> which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Dear Dr. Laura:
>
> Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have
> learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with
as
> many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual
lifestyle,
> for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it
to
> be an abomination. End of debate.
>
> I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
> specific laws and how to follow them:
>
>
>
>
>
> 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
> pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
> claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
>
> 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
> 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for
her?
>
> 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
> period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I
> tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
>
> 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female,
> provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
> claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
> Why can't I own Canadians?
>
> 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
> clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him
> myself?
>
> 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
> abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
> don't agree. Can you settle this?
>
> 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
> defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
> vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
>
> 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around
> their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How
> should they die?
>
> 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
> unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
>
> 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
> crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two
> different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
> and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble
of
> getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
> just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
> who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)?
>
> I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can
> help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and
> unchanging.
>
> Your devoted fan,
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erik Vistica [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 20 November 2003 21:18
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Enlightenment?
>
>
>  Legalized sex with animals will be next (it may take another 20 years
> but wait for it). Does this sound repugnant, it should. Interesting that
> these two verses are right next to each other...
>
>
> Leviticus 18
> 22   Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
abomination.
> 23   Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith:
> neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is
> confusion.
>
> Romans 1
> 26   For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
> their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
> 27   And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
> burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which
> is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
> which was meet.
>
>
> And for those that may or may not believe God.
>
> Psalm 14
> 1   The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
>
> Psalm 53
> 1   The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
>
>
> James 2
> 19   Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils
> also believe, and tremble.
>
>
>
> Fred White wrote:
>
>>The Massachusetts Supreme Court's ruling opens the door for Gay/Lesbian
>>marriages to be legal in Massachusetts.
>>
>>After over 200 years, it appears that the Age of Enlightenment has
>>finally reached American shores. Yippee!!
>>
>>FW
>>
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