Pretty sure he wasn't speaking English.
Nobody knows, yet as he was killed, where any weapons found to indicate
that he was a threat?
Did he have any guns or grenades?
Obviously not, as they didn't go off.
Was he an insurgent or just a wounded civilian?
Nobody knows nor will ever know.

War is hell and 4-real. Some say 100,000 civilians dead.
The military refuses to count. Why?
Is that "limited civilian casualities" as some say?
collateral damage?
Hardly.

One thing for sure.
The high-tech "toys" are not just killing enemies as some try to make us
believe and the highly trained professional soldiers are just human-beings
and hardly all heroes.
Now they are calling up chopper-pilots that flew a chopper last 6yrs ago.
Highly trained!!!!
playing video-games and reality are 2 very different things

So, before starting a war and call for an invasion,
get your reasons and strategy right and tell the people what to expect.
The soldiers there and the population at home.

Michael

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:32:10 -0600, Erik Vistica <[log in to unmask]>
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> What was the soldier's perception? It starts there. It matters not if
>the enemy is wounded if his intent is still to kill you, that is, he is
>still an enemy combatant, *not* a wounded prisoner. One news report said
>    the Iraqi's hands were under a blanket and that they were moving.
>
>How is the soldier to make this determination about intent without
>losing his life for showing mercy to an enemy that has proven his tactic
>is to kill you for showing mercy?
>
>Did the wounded Iraqi do *anything* to indicate that he was not a threat?
>
>Christian Lheureux wrote:
>> Brice, in theory, and in a perfect world, you would be perfectly right.
But you forget one thing : the whole world has now seen the footage of an
obviously defenceless man killed by a US soldier. Even if it's later proved
that the GI was trying to defend himself or whatever legitimate motive, the
damage has been done : the act has been seen on TV the world over. That's
the bad news.
>>
>> In other words, the claim that the US Army is trying to be humane is, at
best, moot and, at worst, a pure farce. This is the very bad news.
>>
>> Clearly, we're not dealing with fact. We're dealing with perception.
That's what the whole media game is all about. Perception.
>>
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>>>-----Message d'origine-----
>>>De : HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la
part
>>>de Brice Yokem
>>>Envoyé : mercredi 17 novembre 2004 17:42
>>>À : [log in to unmask]
>>>Objet : Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Veterans Day or Armistice Day
>>>
>>>Bottom line : stress is an explanation, not an excuse.
>>>
>>>----------------------
>>>
>>>OK, my objection, to your objection, is the appearance of giving
>>>equal condemnation to both acts, when clearly the allied armed
>>>forces are making an attempt to play by rules which the opposition
>>>is not even making a pretence of abiding.  So the USA and friends
>>>should be congratulated for trying to be humane in the face of
>>>a throroughly ruthless enemy.
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