her legs could affect the focus of the presentation she is giving.  she may
even  have further comments about the hp 3000

there... now we have 3 combined features i.e.. focus, hp 3000 and Carley's
legs.


ed sharpe
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denys Beauchemin" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 8:53 AM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Carly at HPWorld


> Once again, Wirt is confused, incorrect and trying to revise history.  The
only part of the Carly discussion I thought was a bit off
> the beaten path is Ed Sharpe's comment about her legs.  Also, I disagree
with Wirt about her influence or decision to kill the HP
> 3000.  I do not believe she knew the HP 3000 even existed.  She certainly
did not have any part in spinning off the innovative part
> of HP (Agilent.)  That was precursor to dropping the 3000 in my opinion.
>
> I am not defending Carly, I just think Wirt is unfairly blaming her.
>
> Denys
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf
Of Wirt Atmar
> Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:07 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Carly at HPWorld
>
> Denys writes:
>
> > Ok people, focus.  This way off the beaten path and you didn't put OT:
on
> the
> > subject line.
>
> I can't imagine anything more on topic than discussing the person who
killed
> the HP3000. Although I have heard and carefully listened to the denials of
a
> fair number of people in CSY, many of whom I have great faith in, I remain
> convinced that Carly herself ordered the death of the HP3000, not a
relatively
> low-level perfunctory such as Winston. It's simply not the kind of
decision that
> a general manager would wake one day and make on his own.
>
> Long before the merger talks were made public, the HP3000 began to
> systematically fail to show up on HP's "strategic" list of servers, and
once the merger
> was announced, HP began talking about how it would provide "roadmaps" to
the
> future for those products that it would prune from its repertoire. All of
this
> occurred well in advance of the actual announcement of the death of the
HP3000.
>
> To be fair, HP put itself into a real bind by charging a significant
premium
> for the HP3000 vis-a-vis the 9000's, especially when the HP-UX machines
were
> already being increasingly considered too expensive themselves. HP only
greatly
> further exacerbated its problem with the HP3000 by not allowing its
revenues
> to accurately flow back into the division that generated the deep customer
> loyalty with its concern and care of its customers so that the customers
would
> continue to pay significantly expensive maintenance fees.
>
> MPE, if given half a chance, would -- and perhaps still could -- become a
> dominant operating system. But it never could given the conditions in
which it
> was nurtured within HP. Carly certainly wasn't the only source of the
problems
> that plagued the HP3000 -- they began long before her tenure -- but she
was the
> very direct cause of the end of the HP3000, and perhaps HP as well.
>
> Wirt Atmar
>
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