In case you're unaware of it, there is debate in some (at least my local) 
school districts about what to teach.  Did Columbus merrily sail the ocean 
blue and make friends with everybody?  Did the pilgrims break bread 
peacefully with the natives and start Thanksgiving?  Or were they invaders 
who took by force?   I don't know the answer, as I wasn't there in 1492 and 
I don't have any witnesses.  But intelligent design isn't the only debate 
going on at your local school board meetings.  So no, I don't have a 
website to quote nor the time to find one.  But this debate is going on.

John Lee

At 12:48 PM 12/21/05 -0500, Bruce Collins wrote:
>When you use phrases like "some would argue", "according to some" and 
>"some think", you no longer have to back up your statements with facts.
>
>This is why Fox News uses phrases like those in so many of their reports.
>
>Bruce
>
>----- Original Message ----- John Lee wrote:
>
>>Well, in a very abbreviated nutshell, some would argue that the invading 
>>army was Europeans bent on taking as much land as they could on this new 
>>(to them) continent, regardless of who presently occupied it (namely the 
>>nations of Ojibway, Sioux, Apache, Comanche, etc.).  They then formed 
>>their own governments and began holding elections.
>>
>>So back to your original post:
>>
>>"Strange logic, to equate invasion, alien conquest and puppet rule
>>under foreign military occupation, with indigenous democracy."
>>
>>According to some, the invasion and alien conquest was carried out by 
>>Europeans, who then formed the "indigenous" democracies of the United 
>>States and Canada.
>>
>>John Lee
>>
>>At 11:01 PM 12/20/05 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
>>>On 20 Dec 2005 at 12:11, John Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> > Some think that the current constitutions of both the USA and Canada
>>> > were set up in the same sequence of events.
>>>
>>>The information that I possess indicates neither the presence nor
>>>direct influence of any foreign power during either the
>>>Constitutional Convention of 1787 in the United States of America or
>>>the draughting and passing  in Parliament of the Constitution Act of
>>>1982 in Canada.  Nor do I possess any evidence that in either case
>>>the ratification of these instruments took place under foreign
>>>supervision or at the instigation of foreign interests, state or
>>>private.
>>>
>>>If you have evidence to the contrary than I would be most interested
>>>in having it revealed.  If not, then I have to ask upon what basis
>>>such opinions were formed.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely,
>>>
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