"F. Alfredo Rego" wrote:
> Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >Just a little reality check to share (and get off my chest)...
>
> <snip standard Unix horror story> (Sorry, could not resist putting
> "standard" there, somewhere :-)

To play devil's advocate, the beast had been up and running, rather
reliably, for months prior to this; but a 'vendor requirement'
necessitated the move (or attempt thereof) to 11.0.  It does a
reasonable job once you get it properly tweaked and leave it alone.

> >I want my MPE :-(
>
> An outstanding system, to be sure.  Some people, though, would claim
> that MPE has been "polluted" by UX stuff.  Even so, it appears not
> to be too badly damaged (yet).

Posix is a piece of cake in contrast.

> As Donna Garverick <[log in to unmask]> wrote,
> gee <sigh>  makes my fiasco of last week not look quite so bad....
> get some sleep, jeff.         - d

I did :-)  Until early evening, then had dinner, and back for more
sleep, and now up again (at least temporarily).  The frustration level
was just too high and we needed a break.

> Richard Gambrell <[log in to unmask]> expands the limits of
> Jeff's humble request:
>
> >  I want my MPE :-(
>
> Ditto - With Image, NOT Oracle!  SQL I do like, but Oracle has far
> too many complications and complexities.

Amen.  And I failed to mention that assuming we get Oracle back up,
we have to recompile *everything* that touches Oracle.

> What are the reasons for the folks at UTC *NOT* to give your MPE
> (and Richard's IMAGE) to you instead of HPUX and Oracle?

We abandoned all of the student system except for fee payment, student
receivables, and financial aid (the high-maintenance items that always
run a race to keep up with government regulations).  The other 90% of
our student support systems are still on MPE (thank goodness).

> Can you invite the recalcitrant souls to have "fun with HPUX and
> Oracle" with you the next time you go through this exercise?

We had two very competent HP engineers the first day.  Not Bill Hassel
mind you but certainly no slouches either.

> Can you show them this clipping, which was mentioned on HP3000-L
> a few days ago?

I think they were as aggravated as we were :-)  The users certainly got
a taste of it Monday morning when we expected to be long-since finished
with the upgrade.

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>
> USA Today carried an article on August 1 (page 3A, U.S.A. edition),
> "Investigators look at Concorde tire incidents" (1979 flight bears
> similarities to last week's crash).

We know some kernel parms were out of whack.  In retrospect, some of the
other problems may have been in LD_LIBRARY path.  But that isn't all.
There are just too many 'fix it and forget it' magic incantations to get
the thing going to remember them all.

> What can be done to prevent your wasting your life away on HPUX stuff?
>
> Hey, there is a lot of deep-sea diving to be done and life is
> short...

Were it not for the proximity to HPWorld, I'd be seeing my travel agent
:-)

Jeff Kell <[log in to unmask]>