Hmmmmm...
Well what about "Pretty" not selling the 3k?  You didn't mention
anything about that.
Sometimes I tend to hit the send button a little to soon.
Humbled in Moses Lake
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: Denys Beauchemin <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'Gary Sielaff' <[log in to unmask]>; <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 8:24 AM
Subject: RE: More Powerful and Prettier


> And I disagree with Gary.  GUIs can be extremely useful when used
properly.
>
> /*Smug Example alert*/
> Hiback has GUI support on the 3000 and other platforms.  This doesn't mean
you
> have to do everything via the GUI.  Not at all, the command line is
completely
> available.  However, the GUI is great because it allows you to be
extremely
> surgical in restore situations where only some files are required.  The
GUI is
> used to drill down into various backups where you can easily zero in on
the
> exact file desired and with a few mouse clicks, the restore is done.
>
> Using the GUI you also have a search option whereby you select the backups
to
> search, specify a file name with wild cards if needed and the GUI shows
you
> which backups contain the file(s).  If you have a DLT library hooked up to
your
> HP e3000, a few mouse clicks later and the requested file is restored from
the
> appropriate backup without human intervention.
>
> The implementation is simple.  The GUI server on MPE runs as a component
of
> JINETD.  When someone uses the Hiback GUI on Windows on UNIX, they
"tickle" the
> 3000 on a specific port and connect to the GUI server and after proper
> credentials are given, voila, instant GUI access to the HP 3000.  The GUI
> ultimately interfaces to Hiback command line and instructs it
appropriately for
> the task to be done.  The overhead is negligible.  We use the same
mechanism to
> use the HP 3000 as a backup server for other systems.
> /*End of smug example alert*/
>
> There are situations where a GUI is most appropriate and others where it
is
> not.  Making a blanket statement just leaves you uncovered.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Denys. . .
>
> Denys Beauchemin
> HICOMP
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Sielaff [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 9:46 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: More Powerful and Prettier
>
> I disagree.. The only thing GUI does is slow things down and make
> the things that happen in the background, more complicated.  "Pretty"
> is not going to sell the 3k.
> JMO
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Porter, Allen H <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 6:46 AM
> Subject: [HP3000-L] More Powerful and Prettier
>
>
> > I would like to start a discussion thread.  I'm curious about how you
are
> > leveraging new technologies to update/rejuvenate the 3000 (Samba,
Apache,
> > Java, Reflection scripting for user interfaces, Visual Basic links to
the
> > 3000)?  What are you doing to give it a more "modern" feel and be more
> user
> > friendly (e.g. GUI interface)?  What have you done to make the 3000 more
> > powerful by providing information and access in new ways and, of course,
> we
> > have to make it prettier because that's what sells and makes people
think
> it
> > is newer and better (sad but true).
> >
> > In my world, we do not use Image databases or standard forms.  We do,
> > however, have extensive menus built with HP script.  I have tested the
use
> > of host based Reflection scripts to provide a GUI interface to these
menus
> > but there are some challenges with doing this such as size limitations
of
> > host initiated scripts. I would like to hear about the approaches people
> > have taken and the lessons learned.  This is a big topic, but I think it
> > could spark some ideas.
>