John,

  Unless I'm mistaken, HP does "logically" count LDEV's opened in
this fashion against your user count, but not physically.  By that I
mean that the HPUSERCOUNT value is not incremented when you
open a terminal ldev for I/O, but HP will insist that you purchase an
appropriately sized user license to cover that usage.  A long time
ago, I read a document which defined what is and what is not considered
part of the user license, and some things (like directly opening a
terminal via a separate process) were considered to count although
they were not actually counted.

Regards,
Michael L Gueterman
Easy Does It Technologies
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-----Original Message-----
From:   John Zoltak [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   Tuesday, July 06, 1999 11:25 AM
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Re: [HP3000-L] user license

Mark Bixby writes:
> The HPRC was probably hinting at using a batch job to spawn a
> server process for
> each additional user, and fork() or CREATEPROCESS() would be
> a way to do that.
> The server process would open the user's terminal LDEV
> directly instead of
> the user doing :HELLO.
>
<snip>

Mark,

This is not true. When you open a terminal LDEV for input/output, this
will count against the user license. This is by design and documented
somewhere. The only way that I know of to get around the user license
issue it to use a PC client and sockets to do the communication. When we
migrated from our Series 70, we had timeclocks which communicate
serially to DTC's. I went around for a while with HP as to why they
count against the user license and the answer is that when an LDEV is
open for input/output, it is counted.

John Zoltak
North American Mfg Co
Cleveland Ohio