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| Reply To: | [log in to unmask][log in to unmask], 12 Mar 2004 07:58:19 -0700559_iso-8859-1 For me, GOTO is just another tool in a programming language. Depending onthe skill of the artist to use it wisely. Besides, when it finally gets down to machine code, you cannot get away from the jmp statement. In FORTRAN, I tried to have a standard of GOTOing a CONTINUE statement. So often have I had bugs where the end of a DO loop was some non-CONTINUE statement, that was also a target of a GOTO from outside the loop. Fortran probably should have a ENDFOR statement -- and maybe it does now in FTN/77. [...]41_12Mar200407:58: [log in to unmask] |
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Hi Wirt And Others :)
Interesting points you make... Especially, since I am in the process of
"learning" Perl.... which is striking me more and more like HP BASIC from
back in the early '80's where I learned it...
I have found that the languages that are considered 'bleeding edge'
usually aren't really that much better than what we have had... just
newer...
Perl is great... but still just an interpetive language with libraries
that handle database access, graphics and other such "add-ons" ... gee?
doesn't that sound like BASIC? The big difference is in the between the
keyboard and the chair... not in the languages! If the programmer uses
good style, processes and *DOCUMENTS* their code... The biggest problem
with programmers is that too many of 'em think that there is such a thing
as "Self Documenting Code" !!!
As I learned from Lloyd Thorpe, my old CS Prof, documentation is the
make or break of maintainability! (Lloyd one time told me that if his
daughter couldn't figure out what my code was doing based on reading the
internal documenation... I was wrong! ... and he didn't think the reader
should have to know the language I was coding in!) I agree with him as I
now do security audits of code... and generally don't know the language
well, if at all! Hey! I never learned how to program on a IBM 360! But
boy, are Generational Datasets an awesome concept! Would have saved me a
lot of restores! hehehe
I am trying to decipher a system based in Java, Perl and SQL right now...
after 30+ man hours I am still trying to figure out what the data flow thru
this system is! The architect didn't think a data flow diagram was
necessary and most of the code has less than 10 lines of documentation per
file!!!
Art 'Former Sr P/A ' Bahrs
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duane writes:
> 5. BASIC is THE only language worth using and all
> programs should be written in this language.
It's certainly the only language (HP BASIC/V, Visual Basic, Eloquence,
etc.)
we use for all of our products. The purpose of programming is to lay down
as
much behavior in as short as period of time as possible, in the most
reliable
manner possible, that will be clearly understandable a decade after it was
written. We've found no language that satisfies these conditions better
than BASIC.
Nor have we ever found a language structure that is faster to debug than
BASIC. Visual Basic is everything that I ever hoped for in a language;
programming
in VB is not so much like programming as it is akin to sculpting.
Wirt Atmar
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