John,
I speak/read and talk the English/American language good enough to
understand that Clinton was not impeached for having an affair.
I do know that he lied about the affair.
Even so several people including Americans do not see what he and Monica did
as "sex with this person". But that is another issue and up to everyone.
My question was, as back in the early 90's I was not following that closely
what Bill was doing.
So he had an affair with Monica. hmmmm.
She keeps a soiled dress for years. hmmmmmmmmmm
Then congress investigates the Jones-complaints.
and then the Lewinsky-affair.
Seems to me, they were both adults and he didn't force her into anything.
The only one who should be interested in this matter is Mrs. Clinton.
Now, Gingrich, Guiliani and even Mccain say, these are all private matters
when it comes to interest of the republican behavior. hmmmmmmmmm
Why back then, was it of public interest (not political as republicans always
say.) and now it it not? why should it be now a private matter, now?
And Newt asked, of course, God for forgiveness. Always looks good for the
religious-nuts in this country.
will be another dirty campaign.
At least no more swift-boat-liars.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:44:37 -0800, John Clogg <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>Michael,
>Perhaps the fact that that English is not your first language explains why
>you failed to grasp the rather simple concept put forth in Mark's message.
>Let me try again: Bill Clinton was not impeached for having an extramarital
>affair; he was impeached for committing perjury. Any questions?
>
>John Clogg
>
>>From: Michael Baier <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Michael Baier <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: [HP3000-L] OT:Gingrich's Affair During Clinton Probe (Hypocrites)
>>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:36:43 -0400
>>
>>Mark,
>>
>>what business of Congress was it to find investigate his relationship to
>>Lewinsky?
>>
>>Now, the Republicans (Guiliani and Gingrich) say, that this is all a
>>private
>>matter. All their dirty divorces, their affairs their relationships.
>>Then you have that former head of whatever church that is now 100%
>>heterosexual after receiving "treatment".
>>And of course if they ask for forgiveness then everything is forgiven.
>>
>>Newt and his failing of god and then asking and of course receiving
>>forgiveness.
>>Not only a hypocrite but also full of s...
>>
>>
>>
>>On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:41:47 -0500, Mark Wonsil <[log in to unmask]>
>>wrote:
>>
>> >> What a bunch of hypocrites.
>> >
>> >Not really. For it to be hypocrisy, Newt would have had to say to a grand
>>jury
>> >that he never had an affair.
>> >
>> >> "The president of the United States got in trouble for committing a
>>felony
>> >> front of a sitting federal judge," the former Georgia congressman said
>>of
>> >> Clinton's 1998 House impeachment on perjury and obstruction of justice
>> >> charges. "I drew a line in my mind that said, 'Even though I run the
>>risk of
>> >> being deeply embarrassed, and even though at a purely personal level I
>>am
>> >> not rendering judgment on another human being, as a leader of the
>> >> government trying to uphold the rule of law, I have no choice except to
>>move
>> >> forward and say that you cannot accept ... perjury in your highest
>> >> officials."
>> >
>> >That's correct. Here are the four articles of impeachment. You will find
>>no
>> >article impeaching the President for having an affair:
>> >
>> >1. The president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to
>>the
>> >grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with
>>Monica
>> >Lewinsky.
>> >House: Passed 228-206
>> >Committee: Passed 21-16
>> >
>> >2. The president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony in
>>the
>> >Jones case in his answers to written questions and in his deposition.
>> >
>> >House: Failed 229-205
>> >Committee: Passed 20-17
>> >
>> >3. The president obstructed justice in an effort to delay, impede, cover
>>up
>> >and conceal the existence of evidence related to the Jones case.
>> >House: Passed 221-212
>> >Committee: Passed 21-16
>> >
>> >4. The president misused and abused his office by making perjurious,
>>false
>>and
>> >misleading statements to Congress. (Amended by a 29-5 vote. See draft
>> >version.)
>> >House: Failed 285-148
>> >Committee: Passed 21-16
>> >
>> >Only one article passed with the strength of Republican votes. The other
>> >article had enough Republicans voting against it to fail but enough
>>Democrats
>> >joined in to pass it.
>> >
>> >Today, the irony is rich as Scooter Libby was just convicted for the same
>> >offense that President Clinton received a $90,000 fine and (temporary)
>> >disbarment.
>> >
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