I think I have to state that learning new technology, or other fields of
study with in the IT framework has only enhanced my career. I have
skills that span programming, both in traditional languages and newer
object oriented types. I have worked on multiplatform systems with
communications between multiple OSs. I have worked with networks and
been an IT manager. All this has only helped, not hurt.
While I agree, many smaller shops do not deploy the latest technology,
this is a job on a HP3K, which itself is obsolesced (gee, thanks HP,
grumble, grumble, grumble). Should you wish for a posting with new
technologies, you will probably see the 3K as a 'nice to have, but not
necessary'.
Jim, I whole heartedly agree with what you state, you agreed to do the
job and are getting paid. So get to work!!! :-)
Jim Alexander wrote:
> In my 35 years of working experience, I have not seen a job description
> yet that does not have the line:
>
> "and other duties as assigned"
>
> That could include cleaning toilets and dumping the garbage.
>
> You know what ... If they want to be stupid enough to pay me the salary
> I get and ask me to clean the toilets, then guess what ... I will be
> cleaning toilets .. At least until I can find another job.
>
> All you who accept a position that has a job description like that
> better be ready to do whatever is ask of you (or leave that job), if you
> have any understanding of "at will" employment.
>
>
> --
> Jim Alexander Longs Drug Stores
> Sr. Systems Programmer 925-210-6901
> The opinions expressed are Mine and not Longs Drugs
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Andre Lipinski
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:41 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Miller Compressing Opportunity -
> Programmer/Analyst
>
> I have to agree with you, Brian.
>
> I started my career at a small shop doing a little bit of everything
> from data entry to database re-organising to get Quiz to generate
> reports faster and everything in between as you describe in your first
> posting and much more. As it was my first job, between high- school and
> University, I didn't mind doing everything as I regarded the more
> technically challenging activities as a kind of bonus.
>
> When a shop wants a do-it-all they really should be honest about the
> person they're looking for--a person willing to risk their career and
> sacrifice their professional aspirations for a dead-end job.
> Unfortunately, nowadays such offers are disguised with the new-speak
> term "Team-Player" to deflect critisism of an offer and a company that
> are probably better to be avoided. At least this employer stopped short
> of a snow-job!
>
> Best,
> Andre.
>
>
>
> On Oct 27, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Brian Donaldson wrote:
>
>
>> Dave:
>>
>> <<snip>>
>>
>>
>>> Same reason Christopher Columbus wanted to discover the new world,
>>> because it's there ;-) >>
>>>
>> <<end snip>>
>>
>> I totally disagree with your statement.
>>
>> It's just a way of getting cheap labor out of their employees.
>> Either hire people
>> in this country to do more than they are paid for -- or hire these
>> overseas Indians who will do it for minimum wage thus doing us all out
>>
>
>
>> a job.
>>
>> I have been down the computer operations road already, can do it
>> blindfolded, but I certainly wouldn't do it when my job title is
>> (senior) P/A.
>> No way. Let
>> them hire a person whose job title is "Computer Operator" or "Network
>> Whatever."
>>
>> As a P/A, improving my skill set(s) would be to learn new programming
>> languages or new aspects of the programming/analysis arena. If I
>> wanted to learn networking I would move over into the Networking arena
>>
>
>
>> and would no longer be a part of the P/A environment. I certainly have
>>
>
>
>> no problem with that and welcome it with open arms. However, expecting
>>
>
>
>> me to play computer operator or network guy while my job title is P/A
>> is just not on.
>>
>>
>> Brian (bullet proof vest is on.)
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 16:25:08 -0400, Dave <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Brian Donaldson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would a Cobol programmer need to know anything about Lantronix,
>>>> switches and computer operations and other networking stuff? Not to
>>>>
>> mention
>>
>>>> all the stuff they want an HP3000 candidate to have that has nothing
>>>>
>
>
>>>> to do with HP3000?
>>>>
>>> Same reason Christopher Columbus wanted to discover the new world,
>>> because it's there ;-)
>>>
>>> Not to mention, improved skill set.
>>>
>>> Now don't hit me with that 2 x 4.......
>>>
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