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Kent Wallace <[log in to unmask]>
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Kent Wallace <[log in to unmask]>
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I am working with 2008 MS servers and they resemble vista.  The server
asked "Do you want to continue?" a lot.  The look and feel is not that
different.

SQL 2008 is a big improvement over 2005.  It now has intellisence and
debugging for stored procedures.  Not for functions.

I get a new version of Visual Studio every two years with patches
whenever.

Has anyone been using Team Foundation Server?  This has become a useful
product, we had to hire the guy that wrote the book to get it working.

Also

"IMHO" Still the biggest install nightmare ever written goes to
"Sharepoint"

I did not touch BizTalk?

Kent 


-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of James B. Byrne
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 8:18 AM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Did MS pull a fast one with Vista?

On: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:49:15 +0000, Roy Brown
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> My heuristic is that a conspiracy takes a great deal of skill,
> whereas almost anybody can engineer a cock-up.
>
> And Vista was a cock-up.

Strongly concur.

On: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:54:15 -0600, Ray Shahan
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>> "But W7 is going to be quite stable because, deep down,
>> it is only what=20 Vista would have been if MS had had
>> enough time to get it right in the first place."

> Ummm, MS has no competition, so I can't imagine what the
> hurry was...

Stock valuation. Wall Street's insatiable demands for increased
revenue is what fueled the Vista debacle.  Vista failed mainly
because it was a product without a market.  The fact that it was
rife with defects did not help, but its main flaw was that no one
really needed or wanted it.  I do not believe that Windows 7.0 is
going to significantly alter this fact or do much to improve
Microsoft's current and future situation.

Microsoft has entered the long decline associated with a mature
market and its revenues will continue to flatten and eventually
decline.  This inevitability can do no other than create serious
turmoil in a society (Mircosoft's employees and shareholders) that
has experienced nothing but growth for an entire generation.

They will naturally attempt to put this inevitability off for as
long as is possible.  They will talk confidently and expectantly of
new markets (China and India no less, notwithstanding that both
countries are notoriously corrupt and disdainful of the concept of
intellectual property rights in any case) and new products (Windows
7.0, Office 2000 + X, and Software as Service).

However, the truth is, virtually everyone that can use one has a
personal computer with an adequate operating system and set of
software applications that they customarily use.  The distribution
channel that is the Internet has made the MicroSoft business model
of forcing OEms to install their products all but obsolete. Most, if
not all, retail software have Free and Open Source alternatives that
are entirely satisfactory, and in some cases undeniably superior. 
Basically, Microsoft now faces more competition from its own past
success at dominating the emerging PC market than from any other
source.

In my own case I was a Toshiba laptop user for almost two decades.
Actually it was a little longer than two as I bought my first
Toshiba LT in 1985, the one with the orange plasma screen.  But,
when I went to upgrade in 2007 the only operating system that
Toshiba would ship with a current model laptop was Vista. The
consequence of that marketing decision was that they lost a client
as I was not going to have Vista anywhere near me.

So I bought from a competitor who shipped their systems with both
Vista and a Windows XP Professional "downgrade".  Now, of course,
Toshiba offers the same arrangement, but back then they did not and
they no longer have my business.  I know of at least two other
people that followed similar courses away from former suppliers that
did not provide an alternative to Vista when they were ready to buy.
 Vista hurt many more companies than just Microsoft.  Mircosoft at
least obtained from me the licence fee for the XP/Vista combination.
 Toshiba got nothing.

I do not see Windows 7.0 as proving anything more than an adequate,
if unnecessary and unwanted, replacement for Windows XP.  Given the
current economic climate it strikes me as a dubious proposition that
Windows 7.0 will generate much interest in it for its own virtues. 
I rather suspect that MS would have sold just as many copies of XP
instead.

My next laptop will, in all likelihood, be a Ubuntu Linux box,
either Leveno or Alienware/Dell pre-configured with OpenOffice,
FireFox and MPlayer with all the codecs.  Ubuntu offers an online
update service that does not require a browser, avoids all licencing
issues and comes at a price for an entire computer system** somewhat
less ($589.00 USD) than two times what Microsoft is charging for
Windows 7.0 Professional ($299.99 USD) alone.

So, good luck to them but, with Windows 7.0, I believe that
Microsoft is urinating into the wind.

** Inspiron 15n   ($589.00 USD - 2009 November 20)
Intel(r) Core(tm) 2 Duo T6600 (2.20GHz/800Mhz FSB/2MB cache)
Ubuntu Version 9.04 with 30 days of Starter Support
Glossy, widescreen 15.6 inch display (1366x768)
8X CD / DVD Burner (Dual Layer DVD+/-R Drive)
3GB2 Shared Dual Channel DDR2 at 800MHz
250GB3 SATA Hard Drive (5400RPM)
Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X4500HD
High Definition Audio 2.0
Dell Wireless 1397 802.11g Half Mini-Card
4-cell battery
Jet Black
1 Yr Ltd Warranty4 and Mail-In Service
No Webcam Option

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