After becoming president of South Africa, Nelson Mandela presided over the
murder of not only thousands of whites, but also thousands of blacks that
would not join the ANC.  This factual record denies him any credibility with
people who value freedom.
If he has credibility with you, then that is sad for you.
He has demonstrated his hatred for our freedoms and his opinion will always
be contrary to the best interests of the American people.  So when it comes
to the sceurity of our country and our allies it would be assinine to seek
his advice.
If supporting my President in his effort to protect American allies and
American citizens makes me a "self-centred
 myopic arrogant aggressive testosterone-driven redneck" the so be it.
I can tell you what I think of left-wing socialists who support saddam, the
french and the rest of the terrorists and terrorist supporting nations who
oppose President Bush and the U.S. in this war but that kind of language
would be forbidden on the list.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Chaplin" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: A Canadian View Point


> Wow, what a statement: "Nelson Mandela is a communist murderer".
> It certainly grabs one's attention.
> And the rest of your well-reasoned, intellectually advanced post
> continues on the same high level.
>
> Do you really think like that, or is your post tongue-in-cheek?
>
> If you hate the rest of the world so much then you, and others like
> you, can leave at any time you wish. Do us all a favour.
>
> Your post reinforces the attitude of most of the rest of the world,
> excluding the US-apologists, that the US is dominated by self-centred
> myopic arrogant aggressive testosterone-driven rednecks.
>
> I would like to believe that you are not typical of the average US
> citizen. I despair for the future of my children if you are.
>
> >>> "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> 17/03/2003 08:36:27
> am >>>
> Nelson Mandela is a communist murderer.  So who cares what he has tgo
> say.
> Perhaps the dixie chicks, and anyone else who hates us should take mr
> atwoods lead and just leave.
> If the canadians hate us so much then they can stop selling thier
> products
> here too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wirt Atmar" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: A Canadian View Point
>
>
> > Tim quotes a Canadian author:
> >
> > > I'm sorry we called George Bush a moron.
> > >
> > >  He is a moron, but it wasn't nice of us to point it out. If it's
> any
> > >  consolation, the fact that he's a moron shouldn't reflect poorly
> on the
> > >  people of America. After all it's not like you actually elected
> him.
> >
> > That's all right. The Dixie Chicks just said four days ago while in
> England
> > that they too were ashamed that George Bush is president. Due to
> pressure
> at
> > home they were later forced to apologize (although I'm not sure that
> they
> > meant it). Nelson Mandela however remains steadfast in his belief
> that
> Bush
> > is a "person who doesn't know how to reason."
> >
> > ======================================
> >
> > NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 16) - The Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines, who
> told a
> > London audience earlier this week that she was ``ashamed'' of
> President
> Bush,
> > said Friday she's sorry for her comment.
> >
> > ``As a concerned American citizen, I apologize to President Bush
> because
> my
> > remark was disrespectful,'' the singer said in a statement. ``I feel
> that
> > whoever holds that office should be treated with the utmost
> respect.''
> >
> > The Dixie Chicks, who are from Texas, are on a European tour. While
> in
> > London, Maines told the audience, ``Just so you know, we're ashamed
> the
> > president of the United States is from Texas.''
> >
> > Angry phone calls flooded a Nashville radio station on Thursday,
> some
> calling
> > for a boycott of the trio's music. Two Dallas stations stopped
> playing the
> > group's music because of Maines' comments.
> >
> > The popular group won three Grammys last month for their
> multi-platinum
> disc
> > ``Home.'' They have the No. 1 country song with ``Travelin'
> Soldier,''
> about
> > a soldier in Vietnam.
> >
> > On Friday, Maines said the group is ``witnessing a huge
> anti-American
> > sentiment as a result of the perceived rush to war'' while on tour
> in
> Europe.
> >
> > ``While war may remain a viable option, as a mother, I just want to
> see
> every
> > possible alternative exhausted before children and American
> soldiers'
> lives
> > are lost,'' she said. ``I love my country. I am a proud American.''
> >
> > Maines' contrite statement is in contrast to her comments on
> Thursday,
> when
> > she said: ``I feel the president is ignoring the opinion of many in
> the
> U.S.
> > and alienating the rest of the world. My comments were made in
> frustration,
> > and one of the privileges of being an American is you are free to
> voice
> your
> > own point of view.''
> >
> > The Dixie Chicks will kick off a U.S. tour on May 1 in Greenville,
> S.C.
> The
> > group's other hits include ``Wide Open Spaces,'' ``Ready to Run''
> and
> > ``Landslide.''
> >
> > =======================================
> >
> > Wirt Atmar
> >
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