I have never talked about a "plantary" (sic) population problem.  I have
talked about a global population problem, however.  :)

Denys

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Denys, forgetting that he's never been correct when challenging me :)
says:

> I can't just stan by

[although that was cute :) ]

> and let this one go by.  I never said anything
> about poverty in any message I posted.

Ah...you attempt to change the text :)

I wrote: "poverty or population growth problems"

Note the word "population".

From a Denys post on 2003-11-19 19:16:14 PST :

   > Fred subscribes to virtually all the myths propagated by utopians,
:) ,
   > one of them being "there are too many people on the planet and they
are
   > reproducing too fast."  Nonsense.

   > The population pyramids show the nation is rapidly getting older as
   > fewer children are born and have been born in the last 25 or so
years.
   > I recently came across this bit of news:

   > "U.S. pregnancy, birth and abortion rates decline in 1990s. The CDC
says
   > pregnancy, birth and abortion rates dropped from 1990 to 1999.

From which we easily see (a) Denys denying a plantary population
problem (paragraph one above), and (b) citing U.S.A. statistics (para
3).

I had said:

> What Ken and Denys seem to not ken, or that they deny, is that
> the U.S. and Europe aren't good examples of poverty or population
> growth problems.
...

Well, Q.E.D. pretty much says it all.
Oh, Denys now owes me for 10 minutes time tracking down his quote :)

That said, I regret being overly cute in my original opening sentence.


On a different aspect, Denys continued on to say:

> All countries are going on the
> fact the current generation is not the last and that the next
generation
> takes care of the preceding generations, as these get old, retire and
go
> gaga.  (Except for France  :).)

Half right.

In *some* areas of planning, some countries/governments/people
certainly plan like we're not the last generation (aka, "let our kids
solve the problem").  (E.g., the U.S.A. budget deficit.)

Sadly (and inconsistently), in other areas of planning they do
the opposite ... they plan/act as if we're the *last* generation
(e.g., use of various natural resources, overpopulation).
Who knows...with that kind of planning, we might *be* the last
generation :(

SS

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