Tom,

Berlin is near the very top of my list for places I've been and would like to go back to.   Great public transport, great museums and some of the best falafel's & gyro's I've every had. 

IIRC the  http://www.sdtb.de/Museum-of-Technology.547.0.html is medium/short walk from public transport (depending what line you come in on). http://www.sdtb.de/Visitor-information-at-a-glance.1236.0.html http://www.bvg.de/index.php/en/Bvg/Index/folder/669/name/Means+of+Transport+%26+Routes

Museum Island, Pergamon & Gates of Ishtar & now the Nefertiti bust. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pergamon_Museum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altes_Museum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti -- in my opinion this is one of those pieces of art that must be seen in person to fully appreciate. Like "The David" in Florence copies somehow don't capture the life of the original object.    Note that there are some dates upcoming which this won't be on display.

Whew, that was only 15 minutes -- thanks for the mini-trip down memory lane.

Slightly jealous,

Jim 

-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter M. Eggers
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:21 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] [OT] I want what these guys are smoking...

Evil, evil!

First it was libraries and book stores, now the wiki!

I hovered over 3 or 4 links, couldn't resist the "Halting problem", became
emersed in the theory, and finally through sheer brute force of will was
able to hit "ctrl-w" to escape the rabbit hole!

I have been abondonned by dates when falling into one of these rabbit holes
-- the horror!

You are evil, an evil white rabbit, I say!


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Tom Emerson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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> This summer, I'll be vacationing in Italy.  It turns out that the "tour"
> that I'll be on has an unusual start/end date combination: we leave the
> US on a tuesday [meaning we arrive on a wednesday] and "return" on a
> thursday.  In a work-week minded world, that means the only "working"
> days will be a monday followed by the friday of the following week,
> almost pointless to show up for either (or both) of these days, so I'm
> looking into other spots to visit along the way... [this is the setup,
> folks...]
>
> So, tickling the back of my mind is the fact I'd like to visit the
> Museum of technology in Munich, and so to get a better idea of what the
> museum has to offer, I check wikipedia [this is the journey down the
> rabbit hole...]
>
> - From there, here is where my path leads... (heh heh heh)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum
>
> I noticed that the museum is located on an island, and in my trip to
> Germany last year, I visited a similar "museum island" in Berlin, so I
> checked there
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum_(disambiguation)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsches_Museum_%28disambiguation%29>
> (via the altes and pergamon museum links to)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_Island
>
> which got me to thinking of other museums in Germany, so I check on the
> link
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_museums_in_Berlin
>
> to find
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Museum_of_Technology_(Berlin)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Museum_of_Technology_%28Berlin%29>
>
> which starts out by talking about
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konrad_Zuse
>
> and his "turing complete" Z3 computer.  The page on Zuse pretty much
> ends with his "theory of the universe" :) so off I go to
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculating_Space
> and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics
> [and, surprisingly, nobody mentioned "the Matrix" in this discussion]
>
> but they did mention
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomputation
> which is based on the existence of
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine
> which can compute
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
> but also mentions
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Busy_beaver
> which delves into
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov_complexity
> and
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theorem
>
> and, umm, like "whoa, dude, where'd my morning go?"
>
> Tom [and I didn't even START on the path leading to Turing] Emerson
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