Please...You are not claiming that the fictional fables in the Bible are
more than just moral story. Even the majority of religious people admit as
much.
Please research just a little bit. The old testament was written based on
four different accounts, which were edited before appearing the famous book.
What next, Mary Poppins flies using an unbrella. Science please prove it
never happened.
"Explain how something can come out of nothing"
Like God for example.
Grow up...the Bible is good ficiton, but still fiction.
-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Borgman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 13 January 2005 20:57
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: US uber alles
Ah, we've been down this road before....
Yes, just SCIENTIFICALLY weigh the evidence....
Use the rate of salt going into the ocean, and extrapolate back to get the
age...
Use the rate of decay of mountains....
Explain how something can come out of nothing, without using the crutch of
"billions" of years.
Explain how we "evolved", but none of the 'in-between' animals have ever
been found.
If something 'evolved', what did it mate with to reproduce ?
What is the difference of current textbooks saying the we evolved out of
nothing, and the creation belief that we were created out of nothing ? Both
could be classified as a 'religion' if they both believe in the same
start...
And on and on.......
-----Original Message-----
From: Wirt Atmar [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 2:22 PM
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Subject: [HP3000-L] OT: US uber alles
For those of you who argue that the US is the most generous country in the
world (despite all of the evidence), is the most well-educated (despite all
of the evidence), has the best health care in the world (despite all of the
evidence), has the lowest child mortality rates (despite all of the
evidence), is the least interventionist in the affairs of other nation
states (despite all of the evidence), and is the most beloved of all nations
(despite all of the evidence), I thought that I would post this AP note that
just came over the wires two hours ago in regards to the US being the most
scientifically literate nation in the world (despite all of the evidence).
An even more depressing article on the same subject appeared in Salon a few
days ago. It's too long to repeat here, but if you want to be a little
depressed, it's worth reading:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2005/01/10/evolution/print.html
The US does well in so many areas, folks, only because we have such a large
mass of people, but the percentage of the population who are driving this
economy into the future is really quite small and seems to be shrinking with
each year. Hopefully, this is just the swing of a penduluum and a
well-educated, literate, liberal populace will once again dominate in
American life.
But you read the comments on this list and you certainly have reason to
worry.
Personally, I'm all for teaching Intelligent Design/Creationism in high
school, in a Philosophy of Science class. It's nonsense, but the ideal
situation would be to let the students come to that conclusion on their own.
That could be done by simply asking questions, perhaps the first being:
o How old is the age of the earth? And how do we know?
and give them two weeks to research the question on their own.
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January 13, 2005
Judge Orders Removal of Evolution Stickers
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Filed at 11:52 a.m. ET
ATLANTA (AP) -- A federal judge on Thursday ordered the removal of stickers
placed in high school biology textbooks that call evolution ``a theory, not
a fact,'' saying they were an unconstitutional endorsement of religion.
The disclaimers were put in the books by school officials in suburban Cobb
County in 2002.
``Adopted by the school board, funded by the money of taxpayers, and
inserted by school personnel, the sticker conveys an impermissible message
of endorsement and tells some citizens that they are political outsiders
while telling others they are political insiders,'' U.S. District Judge
Clarence Cooper said in his 44-page ruling.
Six parents of students and the American Civil Liberties Union had
challenged the stickers in court, arguing they violated the constitutional
separation of church and state.
The case was heard in federal court last November, where the school system
defended the warning stickers as a show of tolerance, not religious activism
as some parents claimed.
``The Cobb County school board is doing more than accommodating religion,''
Michael Manely, an attorney for the parents, argued during the trial. ``They
are promoting religious dogma to all students.''
Lawyers for Cobb County disagreed, saying the school board had made a
good-faith effort to address questions that inevitably arise during the
teaching of evolution.
``Science and religion are related and they're not mutually exclusive,''
school district attorney Linwood Gunn said. ``This sticker was an effort to
get past that conflict and to teach good science.''
The schools placed the stickers after more than 2,000 parents complained the
textbooks presented evolution as fact, without mentioning rival ideas about
the beginnings of life.
The stickers read, ``This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution
is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This
material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and
critically considered.''
The case is one of several battles waged in recent years in the Bible Belt
over what role evolution should play in science books. Last year, Georgia's
education chief proposed a science curriculum that dropped the word
``evolution'' in favor of ``changes over time.'' That plan was soon dropped
amid protests by teachers.
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Wirt Atmar
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