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Michael Baier <[log in to unmask]>
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Michael Baier <[log in to unmask]>
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Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:39:20 -0500
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This was wrong and has nothing to do with the freedom
of speech. Same goes for flag-burning. They should be arrested in
my opinion.

You are very much mixing things just for your ideas.
Never criticize a Republican. They are always right!.
Is that it?
Then we should eliminste others from elections or winning elections.

Then we are like
North Korea and former Russia.

Great. always wanted to be like that and live in such a country.

You have a fantastic ability to exaggerate everything if it doesnt fit you.
Awsome.

If you don't believe that the government can be criticized, then move to a
country where you can't.

Happy Weekend




On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 17:24:49 -0500, Tim Cummings
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Liberals Idea of free speach:
>
>
>
>Wednesday, March 12, 2003
>
>
>Antiwar protesters burned and ripped up flags, flowers and patriotic signs
>at a Sept. 11 memorial that residents erected on a fence along Whittier
>Boulevard days after the terrorist attacks in 2001 and have maintained ever
>since.
>
>However, although officers witnessed the vandalism Saturday afternoon,
>police did not arrest three people seen damaging the display because they
>were ''exercising the same freedom of speech that the people who put up the
>flags were,'' La Habra Police Capt. John Rees said Monday.
>
>''For this to be vandalism, there had to be an ill-will intent,'' he said.
>
>
>Rees said in order for police to take any action, the owner of the fence
>would have to file a complaint.
>
>Jeff Collison, owner of The RV Center in La Habra, who has allowed
residents
>to add patriotic symbols to the fence on his property, said he just might
do
>that.
>
>''Their free speech stops at destruction of private property. If they are
>allowed to come on my property and burn flags, does that mean I can go to
>City Hall or the police station and light their flags on fire because that
>is freedom of speech? To me, this is vandalism,'' Collison said.
>
>Some residents Monday hung signs criticizing those who destroyed the
>display.
>
>Tracey Chandler, a Whittier mother of four who has maintained the
>spontaneous memorial since it was created by other area residents soon
after
>the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said she was shocked by the destruction.
>
>''They trashed 87 flags, ripped 11 memorial tiles made by myself and my
>children out of the ground and glued the Bob Dylan song to a sign that
said,
>'America, land of the brave, home of the free,' ' she said.
>
>The Bob Dylan song she referred to is ''With God on Our Side,'' an antiwar
>anthem of the 1960s.
>
>''It's unbelievable, because there were absolutely no political messages on
>this fence. It was all about supporting our troops, which could mean
>bringing them home, and about remembering 9-11.'
>
>''We are going to rebuild this memorial, and it will be brighter, bigger
and
>better than ever,'' Chandler said.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael Baier [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 4:58 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Freedom/Free Speach/Democracy in the US of A
>
>
>Mr Yokem,
>why is everything about Bill Clinton? You seem to use him in a positive way
>or even quote him when it fits and use him negative otherwise.
>
>It is not about the sign or what the sign says,
>it is about the freedom, the 1st amendment.
>Where you moved 1 mile away when you protested against Bill Clinton?
>
>Whatever happened to our freedom that Mr. Bush is defending so hard
>overseas? Why dont we have that freedom anymore in our own country?
>Are we exporting freedom like our jobs?
>Everybody has them but us.
>
>
>On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 16:43:28 -0500, Brice Yokem <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>I can't help but wonder if Mr Bursey held up a sign to the effect of
>>'Keep it in your pants, Bill' when President Clinton came to town?
>>
>>Would you, Mr Baier, be making as big a deal of that, if it had happened?
>>
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