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Thu, 1 Dec 2005 12:52:00 -0600
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John says " Until we went into Iraq, I don't think the world realized
how advanced this organization of terror was.". 

I think 911 showed how advanced the terrorists were, and I think the
U.S. topple of the Iraq government shows how opportunistic the
terrorists can be. 

Ray Shahan

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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of John Lee
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:15 PM
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Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Iraq: The Battle in the Beltway

Who says it's going poorly?  I think the coalition forces have destroyed
a 
significant part of the opponents war machine and continue to do so.

I heard a 5 star general interviewed this morning on the radio
predicting 
what will happen if a civilized presence leaves the mideast.  It was
ugly 
how many regimes he predicted will fall to this very organized radical 
fundamentalist group that is committed to terrorism as a political tool 
from which to gain power and followers.  This is an aggressive,
organized 
enemy that has been operating very stealthily for many years, possibly 
masterminded by OBL (who has been awfully quiet...maybe pushin
daisies?). 
Until we went into Iraq, I don't think the world realized how advanced
this 
organization of terror was.

John Lee


At 12:36 PM 12/1/05 -0500, Wirt Atmar wrote:
>John asks:
>
> > Sounds like good PR to me.  What are we supposed to do, tell them
that
> >  we're failing and that some unknown insurgent group is soon going
to
> >  massacre all of them as soon as we pull out?  What's the matter
with some
> >  of you?
>
>The problem is that when the lies and corruption become blatant, as it
is in
>this case, you can be assured that we are within only one or two years
of the
>helicopters ferrying desperate people off the roof of the American
embassy as
>the last of us bug out.
>
>Wirt Atmar
>
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