The age of the workers.

Ray Shahan

When you were born, you were crying
and everyone around you was smiling.
Live your life so at the end,
you're the one who is smiling and everyone
around you is crying.                Unknown




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Larry Barnes [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 9:40 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      [HP3000-L] OT: Outsourced humor
>
> Can anyone explain the difference between a sweat shop that creates
> clothes and a sweat shop that creates code?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gates, Scott [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 7:21 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Outsourced humor
>
> Gee, make ONE little joke. . .  <GRIN>
>
> Well, back ON the OFF TOPIC.
>
> Ken is right.  It is NOT about education, efficiency, or work ethic.
> One
> experienced U.S. programmer, bringing in $50000 (just a nice round
> number,
> guys) can BARELY compete against 5 Indians on price per whatever (KLOC,
> module, application program, etc.).  Sending code to be done in China
> where
> the rates are 1/5th of INDIAN rates and the buyer gets 20 people for the
> price of 1 U.S. worker.   Unless you can type with your toes YOU CAN'T
> KEEP
> UP WITH THAT.  And you nor I should have to butt heads with the
> Mongolian
> horde that modems into the country at night and does your job for a 20th
> the
> price.  We have LIMITS on how many people can enter the country
> PHYSICALLY.
> We have those for MANY reasons, not the least of which is having more
> laborers than the economy can absorb.  Outsourcing LABOR such in this
> manor
> is JUST a means to import labor that works for slave wages--many times
> MUCH
> LESS than the LEGAL MINIMUM WAGE.  These laborers, while diligent, do
> not
> return ONE DIME to the U.S. Economy...They pay NO taxes here. They buy
> NO
> U.S. goods. They don't even pay bus fare to and from work here.  I don't
> want to belittle them, because I'm sure they're nice, hardworking geeks
> just
> like ourselves, but they are little more than parasites on the U.S.
> Economy.
>
>
> Last week I watched a show on TechTV called "Nerd Nation".  It talked
> about
> the plight of Indian "Call Center Executives".  These people work for
> years
> to aquire the English skills necessary to work the phones for companies
> in
> the U.S., England, and Australia.  When they FINALLY get a job, they go
> to
> work in fenced compounds surrounded by armed guards.  Since there is
> very
> little local infrastructure, all equipment is imported and set up inside
> the
> walls. Electricity is SO unpredictable, the company uses their own
> diesel
> generators. The town doesn't even have a water treatment plant or sewage
> system.  They are not being built, either.  Companies are NOT only
> taking
> advantage of an educated but cheap labor pool, but the fact they have to
> pay
> almost nothing in taxes to support the almost non-existant local
> infrastructure.  Furthermore the SIZE of the educated but unemployed
> labor
> force, means that companies do not have to invest a dime in training or
> retention.  They burn their employees crispy and have 10 more waiting to
> take their place.  Should new technologies come available, the old
> workers
> are replaced at the same time as the equipment, and must start over.  I
> they
> learned that from U.S. companies.
>
> India is already feeling price competition from China, the Philippines,
> Viet
> Nam, and other Asian countries where the labor is even cheaper.
>
> If U.S. Companies want "Superior" Indian laborers (or "Superior" Chinese
> laborers or "Superior" Elbonian laborers) let them come here and work
> for
> U.S. Wages and By God we'll find out who's SUPERIOR.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Hirsch [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 5:06 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: Outsourced humor
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