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I thought the Vikings were here first long before Columbus.
Didn't somebody find evidence of Leif Ericson landing on the American 
continent?


On Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:08:08 -0600, John Lee <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>In case you're unaware of it, there is debate in some (at least my local)
>school districts about what to teach.  Did Columbus merrily sail the ocean
>blue and make friends with everybody?  Did the pilgrims break bread
>peacefully with the natives and start Thanksgiving?  Or were they invaders
>who took by force?   I don't know the answer, as I wasn't there in 1492 and
>I don't have any witnesses.  But intelligent design isn't the only debate
>going on at your local school board meetings.  So no, I don't have a
>website to quote nor the time to find one.  But this debate is going on.
>
>John Lee
>
>At 12:48 PM 12/21/05 -0500, Bruce Collins wrote:
>>When you use phrases like "some would argue", "according to some" and
>>"some think", you no longer have to back up your statements with facts.
>>
>>This is why Fox News uses phrases like those in so many of their reports.
>>
>>Bruce
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- John Lee wrote:
>>
>>>Well, in a very abbreviated nutshell, some would argue that the invading
>>>army was Europeans bent on taking as much land as they could on this new
>>>(to them) continent, regardless of who presently occupied it (namely the
>>>nations of Ojibway, Sioux, Apache, Comanche, etc.).  They then formed
>>>their own governments and began holding elections.
>>>
>>>So back to your original post:
>>>
>>>"Strange logic, to equate invasion, alien conquest and puppet rule
>>>under foreign military occupation, with indigenous democracy."
>>>
>>>According to some, the invasion and alien conquest was carried out by
>>>Europeans, who then formed the "indigenous" democracies of the United
>>>States and Canada.
>>>
>>>John Lee
>>>
>>>At 11:01 PM 12/20/05 -0500, James B. Byrne wrote:
>>>>On 20 Dec 2005 at 12:11, John Lee wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Some think that the current constitutions of both the USA and Canada
>>>> > were set up in the same sequence of events.
>>>>
>>>>The information that I possess indicates neither the presence nor
>>>>direct influence of any foreign power during either the
>>>>Constitutional Convention of 1787 in the United States of America or
>>>>the draughting and passing  in Parliament of the Constitution Act of
>>>>1982 in Canada.  Nor do I possess any evidence that in either case
>>>>the ratification of these instruments took place under foreign
>>>>supervision or at the instigation of foreign interests, state or
>>>>private.
>>>>
>>>>If you have evidence to the contrary than I would be most interested
>>>>in having it revealed.  If not, then I have to ask upon what basis
>>>>such opinions were formed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>--
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