What version of Reflections are you running? We've migrated a few on
Version 13 but no reports yet.
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:04:56 +0000
From: Dan Barnes <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi Gang,
Has anyone out there, still using Reflections and running Windows 7, run
in= to problems with Reflections locking up tight during sessions ? We
have se= veral people who have newer laptops with Win7 and are having
this issue int= ermittently.
QCTerm is not an option as we disable TELNET to eliminate Ghost Sessions
wh= en users don't log off cleanly, so we are tied into VT-MGR.
TIA,
Dan
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132 [log in to unmask]
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Subject: HP3000-L Digest - 5 Oct 2010 to 6 Oct 2010 (#2010-201)
There are 13 messages totalling 723 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals (5)
2. <plug> A-Class 2x750
3. Reflections lock ups in Windows 7 (5)
4. View/3000 answered
5. Was HP3000 Services (longish), now HPSUSAN
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:40:38 -0400
From: Jesse Dougherty <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
I'm not sure if I have to defend my plug on the HP 700 series terminals
b=
ut...
Hmmm, from $150.00 to $225.00...that seems a tad high for a bass boat
anchor. 8-)
(its a boat anchor unless you need them)
BlueLine services has many terminals from 35.00 and up... Thanks Gary
(get your own <plug>)
Way to go...I was having the exact same thought...they should be selling
=
by
the pound..
(it could take up to 2 hours to refurbish one of the terminals, the
price=
is
more reflective of labor and the warranty)
Sell by the pound ? One of these days your PCs might all get infected
an=
d
you'll by dusting off your DTC's and buying terminals by the TON (or
bass-boatload)=20=20=20=20
(thank you)=20=20
Who has terminals that do not have 30 years of stuff burnt into the
scree=
n?
I am partial to the green:)
(we do, we still purchase NEW tubes that we replace when needed)=20
We all know that 3000 stuff is more than 15+ years old so yes all HP 3k
servers & peripherals are boat anchors. I'm just trying to keep this =
3000
hardware alive, I know there is a need out there to user that are still
o=
n it.=20
Jesse
Cypress Tech
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:54:14 -0700
From: "Ryan C. Melander" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <plug> A-Class 2x750
Attached to my EVA4400 this thing will fly!...
Ryan C. Melander
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
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From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of Captain Greb
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 3:52 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] <plug> A-Class 2x750
For sale: A-Class 2x750
Specs:
2 x 750mhz processors
8GB memory
NO disk (includes 1 tray)
NO power cable
NO console cable
NO front trim
This is a great little machine for hobby use, development, archiving,
etc.
Relative performance should be in the 40 to 50 range, or about that of a
989KS650.
Power on to PDC in about 3 minutes.
ISL>START NORECOVERY to OPERATOR.SYS logon in less than a minute.
YMMV.
MPE model string: RP2470/A500-200-75
Software capability: 0x10000001
Software ID: 891900600
If you were to install MPE on this machine, this is what you might
expect to
see:
HPUSERLIMIT = -1
HPSUSAN = 891900600
HPCPUNAME = SERIES RP2470/A500-200-75
pictures here:
http://www.irs4hp.com/aclass-20101004.html
US$5000 plus shipping/insurance
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 08:57:20 -0700
From: "Ryan C. Melander" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
Hey... Watch what you're calling a boat anchor!!! ;)
Ryan C. Melander
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
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-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of Jesse Dougherty
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
I'm not sure if I have to defend my plug on the HP 700 series terminals
but...
Hmmm, from $150.00 to $225.00...that seems a tad high for a bass boat
anchor. 8-)
(its a boat anchor unless you need them)
BlueLine services has many terminals from 35.00 and up... Thanks Gary
(get
your own <plug>)
Way to go...I was having the exact same thought...they should be selling
by
the pound..
(it could take up to 2 hours to refurbish one of the terminals, the
price is
more reflective of labor and the warranty)
Sell by the pound ? One of these days your PCs might all get infected
and
you'll by dusting off your DTC's and buying terminals by the TON (or
bass-boatload)
(thank you)
Who has terminals that do not have 30 years of stuff burnt into the
screen?
I am partial to the green:)
(we do, we still purchase NEW tubes that we replace when needed)
We all know that 3000 stuff is more than 15+ years old so yes all HP 3k
servers & peripherals are boat anchors. I'm just trying to keep this
3000
hardware alive, I know there is a need out there to user that are still
on
it.
Jesse
Cypress Tech
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 15:58:07 +0000
From: Ray Shahan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
LOL, I was just trying to do some humor - nothing more; nothing less.
8-=
)
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf =
Of Jesse Dougherty
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
I'm not sure if I have to defend my plug on the HP 700 series terminals
but=
...
Hmmm, from $150.00 to $225.00...that seems a tad high for a bass boat
anchor. 8-)
(its a boat anchor unless you need them)
BlueLine services has many terminals from 35.00 and up... Thanks Gary
(get =
your own <plug>)
Way to go...I was having the exact same thought...they should be selling
by=
the pound..
(it could take up to 2 hours to refurbish one of the terminals, the
price i=
s more reflective of labor and the warranty)
Sell by the pound ? One of these days your PCs might all get infected
and =
you'll by dusting off your DTC's and buying terminals by the TON (or
bass-boatload) =20
(thank you) =20
Who has terminals that do not have 30 years of stuff burnt into the
screen?
I am partial to the green:)
(we do, we still purchase NEW tubes that we replace when needed)=20
We all know that 3000 stuff is more than 15+ years old so yes all HP 3k
ser=
vers & peripherals are boat anchors. I'm just trying to keep this 3000
hard=
ware alive, I know there is a need out there to user that are still on
it.=
=20
Jesse
Cypress Tech=20
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 12:01:59 -0400
From: Daniel Horgan <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
I did have a colleague who took an Apple Lisa? (with the built in
handle), =
removed the guts, and attached it to his anchor line on his canoe. It
makes=
a perfect mushroom anchor, which drags and lets the boat drift.
Dan Horgan
Sr Software Engineer
Infor
(508) 598-4062
[log in to unmask]
=20
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf =
Of Ray Shahan
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:58 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
LOL, I was just trying to do some humor - nothing more; nothing less.
8-=
)
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf =
Of Jesse Dougherty
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
I'm not sure if I have to defend my plug on the HP 700 series terminals
but=
...
Hmmm, from $150.00 to $225.00...that seems a tad high for a bass boat
anchor. 8-)
(its a boat anchor unless you need them)
BlueLine services has many terminals from 35.00 and up... Thanks Gary
(get =
your own <plug>)
Way to go...I was having the exact same thought...they should be selling
by=
the pound..
(it could take up to 2 hours to refurbish one of the terminals, the
price i=
s more reflective of labor and the warranty)
Sell by the pound ? One of these days your PCs might all get infected
and =
you'll by dusting off your DTC's and buying terminals by the TON (or
bass-boatload) =20
(thank you) =20
Who has terminals that do not have 30 years of stuff burnt into the
screen?
I am partial to the green:)
(we do, we still purchase NEW tubes that we replace when needed)=20
We all know that 3000 stuff is more than 15+ years old so yes all HP 3k
ser=
vers & peripherals are boat anchors. I'm just trying to keep this 3000
hard=
ware alive, I know there is a need out there to user that are still on
it.=
=20
Jesse
Cypress Tech=20
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:04:56 +0000
From: Dan Barnes <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi Gang,
Has anyone out there, still using Reflections and running Windows 7, run
in=
to problems with Reflections locking up tight during sessions ? We have
se=
veral people who have newer laptops with Win7 and are having this issue
int=
ermittently.
QCTerm is not an option as we disable TELNET to eliminate Ghost Sessions
wh=
en users don't log off cleanly, so we are tied into VT-MGR.
TIA,
Dan
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 09:09:45 -0700
From: "Ryan C. Melander" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi,
We use Reflections V9 with no issues on Win7... just an FYI
Ryan C. Melander
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
[log in to unmask]
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of Dan Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi Gang,
Has anyone out there, still using Reflections and running Windows 7, run
into problems with Reflections locking up tight during sessions ? We
have
several people who have newer laptops with Win7 and are having this
issue
intermittently.
QCTerm is not an option as we disable TELNET to eliminate Ghost Sessions
when users don't log off cleanly, so we are tied into VT-MGR.
TIA,
Dan
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132 [log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:10:14 -0500
From: Mark Ranft <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
What version of Reflection are you using? The older ones are not
certified
for Windows 7.
And you can get past the telnet issues by using a DTC with a telnet
engine
or the Free-VT3K server.
Mark Ranft
Pro 3K
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of Dan Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi Gang,
Has anyone out there, still using Reflections and running Windows 7, run
into problems with Reflections locking up tight during sessions ? We
have
several people who have newer laptops with Win7 and are having this
issue
intermittently.
QCTerm is not an option as we disable TELNET to eliminate Ghost Sessions
when users don't log off cleanly, so we are tied into VT-MGR.
TIA,
Dan
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132 [log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:13:11 +0000
From: Dan Barnes <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
And, that was my bad for not including the version in question......We
are =
running 6.0 and that is likely the reason. No one else at our client
site =
is running Reflections for HP other than our group who supports them, so
pu=
rchasing our own copy may be in the mix.
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan C. Melander [mailto:[log in to unmask]]=20
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 11:10 AM
To: Dan Barnes; [log in to unmask]
Cc: Tom Bollenbeck
Subject: RE: [HP3000-L] Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi,
We use Reflections V9 with no issues on Win7... just an FYI
Ryan C. Melander
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
[log in to unmask]
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf
Of Dan Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 9:05 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [HP3000-L] Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Hi Gang,
Has anyone out there, still using Reflections and running Windows 7, run
into problems with Reflections locking up tight during sessions ? We
have
several people who have newer laptops with Win7 and are having this
issue
intermittently.
QCTerm is not an option as we disable TELNET to eliminate Ghost Sessions
when users don't log off cleanly, so we are tied into VT-MGR.
TIA,
Dan
Dan Barnes
LCI-Lawinger Consulting
106 Central Avenue, Suite A
Osseo, MN, 55369-1243
Tel: 763-425-1639 :: Fax: 763-425-5483
Cell: 612-240-2136 :: Pager: 952-394-0132 [log in to unmask]
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 17:18:05 +0000
From: Johan Harmsen <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Reflections lock ups in Windows 7
Had a problem like that, when I selected some of the text in=
Hello Dan=0A=0AHad a problem like that, when I selected some of the text
in=
the window and accidentally touched the border of the window with the
mous=
e cursor, the next thing I had to do was fire up the task manager to
kill t=
he reflection instance.=0AThis was solved by running reflection i
compatibi=
lity mode, select the program -> properties -> Compatibility. I run
Reflect=
ion in Windows XP (service pack 3) mode. Didn't have strange things
after a=
pplying this fix=0A=0ABest
regards=0A=0AJohan=0A___________________________=
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[[log in to unmask]] o=
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Octob=
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Refl=
ections lock ups in Windows 7=0A=0AHi Gang,=0A=0AHas anyone out there,
stil=
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Reflectio=
ns locking up tight during sessions ? We have several people who have
newe=
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intermittently.=0A=0AQCTerm i=
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 13:32:22 -0400
From: Michael Caplin <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: View/3000 answered
File equating stdlist to a file and reading it after the program ends
is=20=
useful but what I find more useful is passing the executing view=20
program a session number that you have open but is at a colon prompt=20
and then having the view program call the command intrinsic to send=20
TELL messages to the spare session. That way you can see what's=20
happening as the program runs without having to wait for it to
end.=20=20=
You can even "display" paragraphs as the code runs.
When I do this i leave the logic in the code to do the TELLs but only
if=20=
the session ID is > 0. That way if there is no session ID specified
the=20=
program does no displays but if you need it some day - even if it's=20
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 16:18:59 -0500
From: Ron Seybold <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Was HP3000 Services (longish), now HPSUSAN
Hey friends,
Sorry to ask on the public forum so late, but I've been traveling:
Is SSEDIT for sale, or for one-time use? When last I spoke with the =
Grebster, IRS was offering a Generic REplacement Box (PA-RISC) that a =
company would not need to own.
The software, at that time, was not for sale. Has that changed, or is =
the we-lease-to-you GREB offer the only one available? While GREB users
=
do exist, they have been shy about testifying to the goodness of their =
solution for me in the NewsWire.
I'd love to hear from you if you're using GREB...
Ron Seybold
Editor, Bites of Apple
bitesofapple.com
512-331-0075
[log in to unmask]
On Sep 24, 2010, at 5:58 PM, Captain Greb wrote:
> Lots of mis-info being bandied about.
>=20
>> I think you're referring to copies of proprietary HP software that =
we're
>> illegally copied and distributed.
> You'd have to ask Allegro about that ;)
>=20
> Immediate Recovery Solutions (aka IRS, the people you love to hate)
> developed SSEDIT, our own version of SS_CONFIG, that works on =
everything
> from pre 9X7 to the N-class.=20
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 20:54:34 -0700
From: "Walter J. Murray" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
Greetings,
We are still using lots of terminals in the Department of Corrections.
If you want to get a rise out of me, just refer to them as "dumb
terminals", as in, "is the user on a PC or a dumb terminal?".
I'll quickly point out that an HP 700/92 is a very intelligent terminal,
thank you. If you don't think so, you've obviously never used a real
"dumb terminal".
Walter
-----Original Message-----
From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
Behalf Of Ryan C. Melander
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 8:57 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] <Plug> HP 700 Series Terminals
Hey... Watch what you're calling a boat anchor!!! ;)
Ryan C. Melander
Ideal Computer Services, Inc.
88 Wright Brothers Ave.
Livermore, CA 94551
Ph. 800-862-8787
Ph. 925-447-4747 x213
Fx. 925-447-4780
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