The F-14 were authorized the GBU-38 on their last deployment, which is
the 500 pound version.

Tracy Johnson
Measurement Specialties, Inc. 

BT







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> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Denys Beauchemin
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: The Century Ahead
> 
> 
> Sorry to take so long to respond to you; I am awfully busy these days.
> 
> Well, as usual you recall wrong.  The Soviet invasion of 
> Afghanistan was to support a puppet communist regime.  Osama 
> bin Laden was never under the tutelage of the USA.  He denied 
> getting any support from the US as reported by Robert Fisk 
> first in 1993 and then again in 1996.  No one has ever come 
> forward with anything to contradict bin Laden.  Congressional 
> and media investigations have also turned up nothing.  So, 
> your initial premise is flat wrong.  
> 
> You should know that bin Laden was a fundraiser in Pakistan 
> during the Soviet invasion and occupation, he was not a 
> warrior.  He got the money from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf 
> Arab countries.
> 
> There were two groups of Mujihideen in Afghanistan fighting 
> the Soviets; the first was composed of Arab Afghans supported 
> by Saudi Arabia, that's bin Laden's gang.  They were people 
> who came from various Arab countries to fight the Soviet in 
> the name of Islam, they just didn't do much fighting against 
> the Soviets.  They were the religious zealots who evolved 
> into the Taliban and Al Queda.
> 
> The second group was the Mujihideen from Afghanistan.  They 
> were supported by the USA with funds coming through Pakistani 
> intelligence.  They were the ones who actually fought the 
> Soviets. You might know this group better under the name 
> "Northern Alliance." 
> 
> The Northern Alliance, aided by US Special Forces overthrew 
> the Taliban in Afghanistan after Al Queda attacked the US and 
> the Taliban refused to deliver bin Laden and Al Queda members 
> to the US.
> 
> I did not hear a thing from you condemning the suicide bomber 
> that killed 30 people on January 3 in a funeral procession in 
> Muqdadiya, Iraq.
> 
> For the record, the Baghdad attack to which you refer was 
> actually in Beji about 155 miles north of Baghdad.  There 
> were seven dead and four wounded. A US Navy (not USAF) F-14 
> bombed the building where three men who had been observed 
> planting a bomb had entered.  I seriously doubt that a 
> Maverick missile was used for this attack; it was probably a 
> GBU-32 JDAM, which is a GPS guided bomb as they are 
> exceedingly accurate and the US military is trying very hard 
> to minimize civilian casualties.  This is just a regular 1000 
> pound bomb (Mk83) to which is attached the GBU tailkit.  This 
> kit costs about $20,000 if you want to know.  The bomb itself 
> is much less.
> 
> The Maverick missile (AGM65) is not used on the F-14, to my 
> knowledge.  I believe the Navy only uses it on the F/A-18 and 
> the AV-8B.  I have stated before that I am not really 
> familiar with Navy equipment.
> 
> The rest of your message makes no sense; I would never let 
> terrorists enter my house after they planted a bomb.
> 
> I would invite you to visit the following site which details 
> the attacks by the followers of the RoP.  Scroll down if you dare.
> 
> http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/default.htm#attacks
> 
> Also here, you can read about the goings-on in Iraq directly 
> from some Iraqi bloggers.  You will learn things that you 
> will never hear on CBC.
> 
> http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> Denys
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of James B. Byrne
> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:08 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] OT: The Century Ahead
> 
> On 17 Jan 2006 at 9:51, Denys Beauchemin wrote:
> 
> > Those evil US soldiers, will they stop at nothing?
> 
> It is a remarkable contrast with today, is it not, how the US 
> government viewed and the portrayed the Soviet era invasion of 
> Afghanistan in 1979? Was that not also an attempt by a great power 
> to put down terrorism, inflamed by radical Islam, for the purpose 
> of domestic security?  As I recall, was this not the war in which 
> Osama bin Laden, under U.S. tutelage, got his start in irregular 
> warfare?
> 
> The extraordinary medical care lavished on the relative handful 
> Canadian and American casualties only highlights in the starkest 
> possible terms who is actually suffering in this obscene attempt to 
> cast the world in a mould that it will not fit.  Consider only the 
> number of children killed in the airstrikes and gunship attacks on 
> "suspected" terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan.   Recall for the 
> example loss of a dozen people killed while they slept in their 
> home in Baghdad this past January 3rd., all women and children, 
> some below the age of ten.  They were the victims of an intentional 
> USAF aerial attack on a home "suspected" of harbouring terrorists. 
> 
> This was an aerial attack on a densely populated urban centre in 
> the middle of the night on the basis of a suspicion!  No ground 
> sweep.  No attempt to locate and identify who was present or what 
> activities might be subject to sanction.  No bomb-damage assessment 
> or mission effectiveness inquiry. No, some middle-aged officer 
> flying a twenty million dollar warplane just dropped some form of 
> guided munition, probably a Maverick (unit cost ~ $100,000.00) or 
> two, on a house picked out of a group of identical houses by the 
> remote operator of a pilotless drone and twelve women and children 
> are dead and the neighbours left to clean up the mess.  Our hero 
> then returned his fast-mover to his airfield and no doubt retired 
> to an air-conditioned mess to retell his adventure and embellish 
> the details of his personal blow against terrorism.
> 
> I suspect that if this had happened in say, Texas, and if it was 
> the family of one of this list's members, that then perhaps a 
> rather different viewpoint regarding the liberal application of 
> lethal violence in the pursuit of peace might develop.  Some might 
> begin to appreciate the despair that engenders such hatred of those 
> who have taken all that one values that self-sacrifice in the form 
> of a human weapon is actually embraced as a welcome relief from the 
> pain of surviving.
> 
> Then again, perhaps not.  Some people are so wedded to their 
> imaginary worlds that they are content to see everything about them 
> consumed in a holocaust rather than alter their beliefs.  But it is 
> no doubt far easier to stomach when it is somebody else's children 
> and it is far, far away.  
> 
> I regret all of the deaths and all of the injuries to all of the 
> people who have suffered, soldier and civilian alike, because a 
> small group of powerful people have their worldviews stuck in the 
> late 19C.  They should be careful about what they seek however.  
> They may yet find it and it will not be to their taste.
> 
> 
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