At 12:57 PM 11/23/2004, Johnson, Tracy wrote:
>But Art,
>
>Is there a difference between a Professional Psycho and an Amateur?
There's better money if you are a Pro.
Oh - Brian has left the list.
>Excerpt "Without Conscience"
>- The Disturbing World Of The Psychopaths Among Us by Dr. Robert Hare
>
>"He will choose you, disarm you with his words, and control you with
>his presence. He will delight you with his wit and his plans. He will
>show you a good time, but you will always get the bill. He will smile
>and deceive you, and he will scare you with his eyes. And when he is
>through with you, and he will be through with you, he will desert you
>and take with him your innocence and your pride. You will be left much
>sadder but not a lot wiser, and for a long time you will wonder what
>happened and what you did wrong. And if another of his kind comes
>knocking at your door, will you open it?"
>
>BT
>
>
>Tracy Johnson
>MSI Schaevitz Sensors
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: HP-3000 Systems Discussion [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> > Behalf Of Art Bahrs
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:40 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [HP3000-L] IT Property Rights Ramblin's Was Re:
> > [HP3000-L] RPG
> > Compiler
> >
> >
> > Hi Jerry and Brian :)
> > I am usually the one who harps about the legal issues concerning
> > 'copies of software' so I am probably one of Brian's Idiots, morons,
> > "professional" psychos (sic) But I don't think I am a psycho
> > professional
> > or otherwise... and I looked up the other two word's
> > definitions... nope...
> > not those either... hehe... tho' I do like to have fun with
> > life... I
> > am, though, trained in Information Security... and a Software
> > Developer...
> > and that makes me worried that people think it is ok to steal
> > software... I
> > don't want anyone "giving away" copies of the software I
> > developed and sell
> > to make a living. I also will take appropriate legal steps
> > to enforce my
> > trademarks, copyrights and intellectual property rights when
> > necessary.
> >
> > Brian may or may not realize that just because a company quits
> > producing or even supporting a piece of software does not mean they
> > automatically and/or immediately release the rights of
> > ownership to said
> > software. I personally still maintain the rights to several
> > packages I
> > have written over the years ... and the intellectual rights
> > to all that I
> > have written since I cut my first 'for pay' code back in
> > '82... I am young
> > :)
> >
> > Remember, copying software without paying for it... or
> > obtaining the
> > right to copy is illegal... and depending on the value of the software
> > (last I researched it is based on MSRP) the crime could
> > easily be Grand
> > Theft or higher.
> >
> > Also, HP is required by law to "aggressively" enforce
> > it's copyrights
> > (they last long after the entity holding them dies/ceases to
> > be) and it's
> > trademarks.
> >
> > Since, HP does monitor this list and it's employees
> > monitor the list
> > and the University, where the listserv is housed monitors the
> > traffic of
> > this list... HP may already be considering whether or not it
> > needs to take
> > appropriate action.
> >
> > The operator of the listserv may also be required to inform the
> > authorities of attempts to pass software illegally through
> > any listservs it
> > operates. Just as it may have to inform the authorities of
> > any and/or all
> > activities observed that violate the laws of the United States.
> >
> > But there is something other than just the simple issue
> > of theft of
> > property (same as if you were to steal a HP company vehicle
> > from a parking
> > spot in a resturant's parking lot) there is the issue of professional
> > courtesy.
> >
> > Do you want someone stealing (and yes that is what it is)
> > your software
> > that you have developed and sell for a profit? This is what
> > you are doing
> > if you obtain a copy of software that has not been released
> > into the public
> > domain as either shareware or freeware.
> >
> > Licence agreements actually are more of open-ended
> > leases... most of
> > them do have clauses in them that require you to return the media and
> > remove the software from your machines when you cease to use
> > it. Also,
> > there are clauses that cover your actions when you either
> > give it away or
> > sell it to another entity.
> >
> > I would like someone from HP's sales/legal staff to let
> > me know if it
> > is legal to "give away" HP 3000 software? Microsoft allows
> > for it as
> > long as you give the original media to the new owner and destroy all
> > archive copies of the software.
> >
> > I know that HP has released some of the HP 3k's software
> > and utilities
> > into the public domain... but do they plan to release all of
> > them? This
> > would seem to support their goal of helping the
> > 'homesteaders' but I have
> > not seen or heard anything about that...
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Art Bahrs, CISSP # 33678
> >
> > =======================================================
> > Art Bahrs, CISSP Information Security The
> > Regence Group
> > (503) 553-1425 FAX (503) 553-1453
> >
> >
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> >
> > At 01:05 PM 11/23/2004 -0500, Brian Donaldson wrote:
> > >Sending me idiotic, psycho, covert hate mails to my personal
> > email address
> > >doesn't do anything to me. It is water off a duck's back. I
> > laugh at you
> > >all, especially PAUL EDWARDS and CHUCKIE CIESINSKI. Don't
> > ever email me
> > >again, you two idiots.
> >
> > Both Paul and Chuck provided appropriate responses (based
> > upon the e-mail
> > message snippets shared with the list) indicating that there are legal
> > software licensing and copyright issues involved.
> > Apparently, based upon
> > your comments in a response, you do not feel compelled to abide by
> > copyright/licensing issues given that HP has discontinued the
> > platform. The fact that they are sensitive to these types of
> > issues and
> > chose to politely point this out, when compared to the responses they
> > received, shows a marked difference in the professional integrity
> > demonstrated by Paul, Chuck and yourself.
> >
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