At 11:48 AM 11/3/2004, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>This planet is overpopulated. There aren't enough resources to go around.
>There may be for your brother-in-law and you, but the US tends to have a
>stranglehold on resources like food and oil.
oh good lord, it's obvious this isn't going to be productive. At least you
seem to be indicating that you won't be spawning, so we can all rest easy
that your line has a limited life span.
>Texas may not be overpopulated (well, thank God for that -- I'd hate to see
>more Texans in the world). But the planet is.
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>Look at the forecasts for population growth over the next 20 to 50 years.
>There is simply not enough energy or food to support such growth.
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>On the other hand, some forecasters are now predicting an end to population
>growth sometime in the 21st century (note: *not* a decline -- just a
>stagnant growth rate) because of low fertility rates amongst women, and
>other factors. Population growth forecasts have to be recalculated
>constantly based on such variables, including things like increased
>longevity. However, to simply ignore the fact that the majority of the
>world is overcrowded and underfed is the typical "I don't care what happens
>outside of these borders" American (United States, specifically) attitude.
>You seem to embody that perfektly, by the way, Mr. Kordon.
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>And no, we don't live in a country where the government, I, or anyone can
>dictate to you or anyone else how many children they are allowed to have.
>As a matter of fact, we tend to support children people have whom they
>can't even afford. The country is free and generous in this regard.
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>On the other hand, there is nothing wrong with presenting people with
>alternative points of view and even educating them with facts. Perhaps
>having 11 children isn't such a wonderful idea for a few reasons? Can you
>think of one? That's your homework for today.
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>Oh, and by the way, this country allows and encourages people to live in it
>who don't happen to agree with its policies. That's called free speech.
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>(I realize this list doesn't guarantee "free speech" -- but the point I'm
>making is one which even you should be able to somehow comprehend.)
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>At 11:11 AM 11/3/2004, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >Oh, that's perfect. Has he heard of birth control or overpopulation?
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> >Getting a grip sounds like something your brother is better of doing than
> >I.
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>You are going to say you have the moral authority to determine who can and
>cannot have a child, or how many they can have? That is the most amazing
>piece of arrogance I've ever heard of. Overpopulation? There is negative
>growth in Europe. You could fit every person on the planet in the state of
>texas and give them about 1,000 square feet. We don't have
>overpopulation. And my brother in law isn't on the government dole, he
>pays for his kids and expenses and they are all very close.
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> >At 11:00 AM 11/3/2004, [log in to unmask] wrote:
> > >The "I have to haul things" and "I have kids" are the usual excuses for
> > >people's purchases of SUVs or larger vehicles.
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> > >Perhaps it doesn't occur to them that truck rental is a possibility on
>the
> > >rare occasion they have to haul all those things. And I would like to
> > >know if their children are the size of pianos.
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> >my brother in law has 11 kids - get a grip on reality, lots of people have
> >more than 2 or 3 kids. I have to do things all the time for the scouts
> >that I volunteer to do. My car gets about 20mpg.
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> > >At 08:27 AM 11/3/2004, Russ Smith wrote:
> > > >My sentence was unclear, Denys. I was not saying that YOU have a bias
> > > >against fuel efficiency. I was saying there may be a general bias in
> > >Texas
> > > >against changes which reduce our need for oil. "Biting the hand that
> > >feeds
> > > >you" as the saying goes.
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> > >that's just ignorant, no one anywhere thinks like that. Everyone I know
> > >likes having better gas mileage where possible, but a lot of peoples
>life
> > >styles need larger vehicles for whatever they are doing, maybe managing
>a
> > >kids sports team, a large family, need to tow things, whatever. I will
> >say
> > >however that WAY too many people where I live have SUV's, and they are
>too
> > >big for the parking places. Going to the grocery store during the day
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> > >nightmare.
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> > > >Rs~
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> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Denys Beauchemin" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:11 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [HP3000-L] Blatant disrespect for the international
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> > > > > Russ, I am all for fuel efficiency. In fact the best fuel
>efficiency
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> > > > > to NOT use a vehicle. With today's technology, that is entirely
> > > > > possible!
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> > > > > Denys
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> > >Regards,
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> > >Shawn Gordon
> > >President
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> >Shawn Gordon
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>Regards,
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>Shawn Gordon
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