<<clip>>  Had hp not dropped the marketing support of the hp3000 around the same
time
some companies were beginning to truly have "good" off-the-shelf software
capable of kicking butt on the hp3000... <<clip>>

This may be contributing to the demise of our 3k's (eventually). We are looking
at a new shop floor system running on AIX {{shudder}}, and those in the computer
industry are still saying "what is a 3000?"

>>> "Shahan, Ray" <[log in to unmask]> 03/06 2:27 PM >>>
Donna writes:

        today, when there's such a demand (and i'm not saying it's
right....it just is)
        for integrating off-the-shelf packages, you're not likely to even
get out of the
        gate trying to use image.  you might make it to the end of the
driveway with
        allbase....but that's a different story....

And It's truly an irony that the bulk of "new" hp3000 shops are a result of
"off-the-shelf" software sales (AMISYS and MACS are two of the big players)
that require the hp3000 to run on.

Had hp not dropped the marketing support of the hp3000 around the same time
some companies were beginning to truly have "good" off-the-shelf software
capable of kicking butt on the hp3000, all of us in the hp30000 community
might be rulers of the planet...ok, maybe we'd just be a lot better off...
:-)

At present, hp doesn't appear to have learned frm the past.  :-(

Ray Shahan



        -----Original Message-----
        From:   Donna Garverick [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
        Sent:   Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:10 PM
        To:     [log in to unmask]
        Subject:        Re: Expensive RDBM Systems (Oracle)

        Wirt Atmar wrote:

        > What features do see lacking in IMAGE?

        that's a loaded question :-)

        > So far, I haven't found anything I can't do in IMAGE -- at greater
efficiency
        > and with less cost (both in development time and real dollar
maintenance)
        > than I can in any RDBMS.

        quite true.  so many of us long-time mpe'ers are truely craftsmen.
we have
        *years* of experience -- with both mpe and image.  we can 'twirl' a
system on the
        end of our 'fingers' just like the globetrotters.  sadly, these days
that with 35
        cents doesn't even get you a cup of coffee -- let alone a job.

        today, when there's such a demand (and i'm not saying it's
right....it just is)
        for integrating off-the-shelf packages, you're not likely to even
get out of the
        gate trying to use image.  you might make it to the end of the
driveway with
        allbase....but that's a different story....

        i know i'm being heretical :-)  but it's got to be talked about.
- d

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