Paul Edwards wrote:

> I just received the April 2001 issue of the HP Computer News. On page 11 is an
> article about the Education Services course offerings. There are courses on
> E-services, OpenView, HP-UX, and Microsoft products. No mention of MPE/iX. Due
> to the lack of marketing, no wonder no one signs up for MPE/iX classes.

"Jonathan M. Backus" wrote:

>         I agree.  Somebody should start doing this on their own :)

"Wyman, Alan" wrote:

> Yes, try to find a class on POSIX as implemented on the HP e3000.  There are
> HP-UX classes but HP-UX doesn't translate 100% to POSIX.  POSIX shell
> programming is also available but it does no good if you don't have a
> background first.  The POSIX bootcamps I have seen start too far back.  We
> need something more intermediate.  This is going to be more of an issue as
> people use more and more of the functionality afforded by the ported
> software.

i was hoping we'd hear something out of hp prior to this...but...

it's obvious that hp education is not interested in teaching mpe-related classes.
they seem to be doing everything possible to make learning about mpe unfeasible.
between out-dated course material and the lack of classes, they're doing their
best to communicate that mpe is irrelevant.  i suspect 'we' might be able to find
one or two people that sharply disagree :-)

from my observation, jon has more than proven that 1) there is a *crying* need for
quality mpe education and 2) it's profitable.  (and you know that's one of the
driving reasons for the pitiful state of mpe training from hp education!)

because hp can't (won't) provide mpe education and because jon and his folks *do*
-- why not form a partnership with jon, hp?

if the vast world of mpe knowledge isn't shrinking (and i think it is) then it's
certainly graying.  there *has to be* some place to learn about mpe -- from the
basics all the way to smoke-and-magic-wands.

Art Bahrs wrote:

>    HP should offer classes and list them when they advertise their course
> offerings!!!

*should* is the operative word <sigh>

> I should not have to rely on third party education solutions
> (tho' they be as good as HP's or more cost effective) for my education
> solutions...

again 'should'

> they [hp] should be teaching it....
> and last we heard from CSY was that MPE/iX is going strong... so where are
> the classes????

exactly.                  - d

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